The Conservative Party

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I don’t wish to speak for @The perfect fumble but I would imagine he likes the EU because it represents the best of capitalism, in a world almost entirely capitalist.

I would also imagine he believes the EU can be steered further to the left.

I reckon you’re spot on there.

 

[George Hannah]

The EU has dramatically changed in our 40 year membership, it’s all your side bang on about and one of the few things you’re correct on.

If you watch that Yes Minister clip posted a few pages back you'll see just how much the present resembles the past.

The left aren’t wary of the EU generally speaking because it doesn’t look anything like it did in the 1970’s.

The 70s is exactly where Jezzer is now.

 

[aguero93:20]

I don’t wish to speak for @The perfect fumble but I would imagine he likes the EU because it represents the best of capitalism, in a world almost entirely capitalist.

I would also imagine he believes the EU can be steered further to the left.

The majority of EU countries are also a lot further left on the spectrum than the UK.

 

[George Hannah]

The majority of EU countries are also a lot further left on the spectrum than the UK.

That's why the EU is doomed. When it can no longer afford to dish out the booty the reckoning won't be long in coming.

 

[aguero93:20]

That's why the EU is doomed. When it can't afford to dish out the booty extracted from us the reckoning won't be long in coming.

 

[Ban-jani]

If you watch that Yes Minister clip posted a few pages back you'll see just how much the present resembles the past.
The 70s is exactly where Jezzer is now.

None of this is relevant to my point.

 

[aguero93:20]

Amazing really, that British MPs ignorant of how the EU works isn't just a modern phenomenon.

Indeed.

 

[George Hannah]

Indeed.

OK you win, I've extinguished history ;-)

 

[George Hannah]

None of this is relevant to my point.

Wasn't your point something to do with national self harm? Jezzer is very relevant to that surely?

 

[Ban-jani]

Wasn't your point something to do with national self harm? Jezzer is very relevant to that surely?

No, it was that the left haven’t become wary of the EU over the last 40 years because the EU is totally different now than it was in the 1970’s.

 

[Jalfraag]

Fuck all hence why lexit was a campaign that wasn't deemed clickbait enough for the MSM and is a movement EU wide

https://lexit-network.org

That's a great read thanks.
Judging by the high standard of signatories and lack of Z list celebrity morons, I can see why Sky and the BBC have ignored it.

 

[George Hannah]

No, it was that the left haven’t become wary of the EU over the last 40 years because the EU is totally different now than it was in the 1970’s.

but my point was that isn't the case, the EU isn't totally different and neither is the left. Jezzer et al are still exactly where Benn left them, it's just those outside the leadership hub that need to be educated.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Focus on the last line of the post and reply to it, forget the typo in the middle.

It's not the typo, this question.....

"Ask yourself why Jeremy and John hate them all so much?"

Well, the answer is self evidently obvious, Tusk and Junker are right wingers, Christian Democrats/Tories in either name or as good as damn it. The EU they represent locks us into a form of corporate/bureaucratic capitalism that denies member states the freedom to decide their own economic future.

Everyone knows this.

It's the other stuff that's bat shit bonkers.

 

[The perfect fumble]

He’s suggesting your pro-EU stance is at odds with your socialist principles, as it is an inherently capitalistic institution.

I guessed as much, if you believe the world is being swept by a cruel neoliberal whirlwind, the EU is any port in a storm.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I don’t wish to speak for @The perfect fumble but I would imagine he likes the EU because it represents the best of capitalism, in a world almost entirely capitalist.

I would also imagine he believes the EU can be steered further to the left.

I don't nurse any hope that the EU can be reformed, but given the rampant nature of globalisation, the corporatist, bureaucratic, faint social democratic tinge of the EU feels like a roaring log fire.

 

[Ban-jani]

I don't nurse any hope that the EU can be reformed, but given the rampant nature of globalisation, the corporatist, bureaucratic, faint social democratic tinge of the EU feels like a roaring log fire.

Almost correct then.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Almost correct then.

That's the story of my life ;-)

 

[Ban-jani]

That's the story of my life ;-)

I meant I was almost correct on predicting your EU stance, just to be clear.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I meant I was almost correct on predicting your EU stance, just to be clear.

LOL... Yeah, I got that.

Blimey, my reputation proceeds me!

 

[hilts]

LOL... Yeah, I got that.

Blimey, my reputation proceeds me!

Why don’t you take a bigger leap of faith? If the people succeed in getting rid of one establishment in the EU they may get a taste for it. I want rid of the political elite for different reasons but getting change for either of us needs to start with something. You think a brexit will mean full fat capitilism as a direction we go in but it needn’t if the people grow a pair.