The Conservative Party

I can't imagine why or where 40% of our border patrol cutters were overseas however if I were reading this I'd take it as a redlight to bring in people and contraband anywhere around the rest of the 7500 miles of UK coastline that is now presumably unguarded.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46725343
 
west didsblue said:
The LDs tend to get around 10% of the popular vote so 97 seats in a chamber of 790 is not hugely disproportionate to the party’s support. As peers are appointed rather than elected and are there for life, it takes a long time for the proportions to change.
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Yeah but then perhaps it's silly that the Liberal democrats only have a paltry 11 seats in the house of commons whilst retaining 93 seats in the house of lords where both houses have a total of about 650% members?

Afaik LD had 7.8% of the vote last ellection. If it were all purely propportional then LD should get 50 seats in both. I find this discrepancy in propportion quite silly really.

To be complently honest hones, i asked this question to make a point. The point is that at the very least the way seats in the house of lords is distributed basicly makes it a "gerontocratic system" that very likely will heavily favour traditionals and conservatives.
Or to put it differently, they are not fighting with equal weapons in there, the tory's get significantly favoured by this and arguably also by the amount of heriditary peerage's that still exist. (and which arguably shouldn't)

If i were a non-conservative Britain i would be pretty pissed about this system and it's rediculously disproportional representation.
 
FlemishDuck said:
Yeah but then perhaps it's silly that the Liberal democrats only have a paltry 11 seats in the house of commons whilst retaining 93 seats in the house of lords where both houses have a total of about 650% members?

Afaik LD had 7.8% of the vote last ellection. If it were all purely propportional then LD should get 50 seats in both. I find this discrepancy in propportion quite silly really.

To be complently honest hones, i asked this question to make a point. The point is that at the very least the way seats in the house of lords is distributed basicly makes it a "gerontocratic system" that very likely will heavily favour traditionals and conservatives.
Or to put it differently, they are not fighting with equal weapons in there, the tory's get significantly favoured by this and arguably also by the amount of heriditary peerage's that still exist. (and which arguably shouldn't)

If i were a non-conservative Britain i would be pretty pissed about this system and it's rediculously disproportional representation.
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The House of Lords has less power than the second chambers of most countries. The most it can do is refer legislation back to the commons with proposed amendments which the commons isn’t obliged to accept. It can’t actually block legislation or propose its own. For that reason most people aren’t that bothered about it.
 
west didsblue said:
The House of Lords has less power than the second chambers of most countries. The most it can do is refer legislation back to the commons with proposed amendments which the commons isn’t obliged to accept. It can’t actually block legislation or propose its own. For that reason most people aren’t that bothered about it.
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Isn’t that a pathetic indictment of the system itself, though? A weak, ineffectual, undemocratic second chamber that acts as a glorified suggestion box.
 
west didsblue said:
The House of Lords has less power than the second chambers of most countries. The most it can do is refer legislation back to the commons with proposed amendments which the commons isn’t obliged to accept. It can’t actually block legislation or propose its own. For that reason most people aren’t that bothered about it.
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Doubtless why the promised reforms are slow in coming - a revised chamber with elected members would mean career politicians who will want to be able to actually do something rather than rubber stamp legislation.
 
west didsblue said:
The House of Lords has less power than the second chambers of most countries. The most it can do is refer legislation back to the commons with proposed amendments which the commons isn’t obliged to accept. It can’t actually block legislation or propose its own. For that reason most people aren’t that bothered about it.
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It's true about the power. Well i guess then the house of lords doesn't really fulfull any rational function in Uk politics, it's more there for decorum and having more fat paychecks for the boys to be appointed into.

If only those were the only implications.

However i guess the house of commans isn't ineffectual, at which point it's still quite remarkable that the LD only has 11 seats there where by proportion one would rather expect 50 seat. But for some reason thats perceived as pretty normal in the UK?
 
FlemishDuck said:
It's true about the power. Well i guess then the house of lords doesn't really fulfull any rational function in Uk politics, it's more there for decorum and having more fat paychecks for the boys to be appointed into.

If only those were the only implications.

However i guess the house of commans isn't ineffectual, at which point it's still quite remarkable that the LD only has 11 seats there where by proportion one would rather expect 50 seat. But for some reason thats perceived as pretty normal in the UK?
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The House of Commons is ineffectual, or rather it operates on a wholly intellectually dishonest basis, and therefore is ineffectual in achieving its stated aims. The pretence is that MPs are there to represent the best interests of their constituents, but this is a lie. They predominantly vote according to the demands of their party whip, principally for reasons of personal ambition. The conflation of our legislature and executive is an affront to democracy imo, and needs completely reshaping.

If we had a HoC full of independent MPs (by way of statute), replete with individuals elected because of their personal character rather than the colour of their rosette, then it would much more closely represent the will of the people, and would mean laws being passed on a much more equitable basis, but turkeys don’t vote for Christmas.

Our political system is an anachronistic joke, as evidenced by the wholly unnecessary and unjustified Christmas recess, whilst Rome burns. It’s a fucking joke and one reason why I find talk of ‘taking back control’ to be nothing short of comical.
 
FlemishDuck said:
It's true about the power. Well i guess then the house of lords doesn't really fulfull any rational function in Uk politics, it's more there for decorum and having more fat paychecks for the boys to be appointed into.

If only those were the only implications.

However i guess the house of commans isn't ineffectual, at which point it's still quite remarkable that the LD only has 11 seats there where by proportion one would rather expect 50 seat. But for some reason thats perceived as pretty normal in the UK?
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Having a FPTP system rather than PR is seen by many as leading to more effective government. After the last 10 years I have my doubts.
 
Worst government in history and they are managing to get away with it.

It is a shame this nation of ours has been dulled down when it comes to protest and getting angry at poor governance, these fuckers should have been dispossed by now.
 
First five threads on the page are right knocking the left throwing up smokescreens - something tells me they fear what is coming this week - so seek solace by posting their innermost hopes for the opposition as a prayer that this week won't see the disintegration of the right over a certain European vote. I suspect that ultimately they won't get what they wish for.
 
Andrew Bridgen MP - a cnut of a man at the best of times taking his performances to a new low. Hope he makes his constituents proud..... oh and he claims that MP's are underpaid

 
Having promised a referendum Cameron was so scared of Farage he got a party campaign manager to fiddle the books - seemingly behind the candidates back - and cheat and buy an election in 2015. A disgrace - no wonder that self same party is in the sorry mess its in now - I bet Farage goes large on this too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-46749743
 
Another defeat in the commons - two in less than 24 hours. In what sense is this governing?
 
bluethrunthru said:
Another defeat in the commons - two in less than 24 hours. In what sense is this governing?
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It's not, any government or prime minister that actually put their nation above personal ambition would have called a GE or stepped down by now.
 
aguero93:20 said:
It's not, any government or prime minister that actually put their nation above personal ambition would have called a GE or stepped down by now.
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The Tories would still win a flash GE, I'll admit she's weak but this failure is the blame of cowardly MP's trying to renege on democracy. It'll find them out in the long run.
 
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