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The damage behind the scenes will be severe. How many Tory MPs like Boris and/or Patel. How many actively dislike them? There are over 100 new Tory MPs so i guess they are still forming their views on a lot of the main characters.


 
Gaudion M said:
The damage behind the scenes will be severe. How many Tory MPs like Boris and/or Patel. How many actively dislike them? There are over 100 new Tory MPs so i guess they are still forming their views on a lot of the main characters.


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Miriam Cates (Penistone & Stocksbridge) was on the BBC earlier - she got awfully shouty and argumentative with the presenter. It felt like she was one who'd been told to go and defend the govt.
 
Pablo1 said:
They're a bit wank aren't they.
The fact that they are in power at all is a pretty sad indictment of where the UK is politically right now.
I mean, if this shower is the best we can elect then something somewhere has gone seriously wrong.
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The big problem is that all the best innovators, academics, scientists, business tycoons etc. do not want to be politicians so you end up with mainly ex-university PPE students as MP’s. They haven’t got a clue what they are doing so in actual fact it is the career Civil Servants that run the country, so there is hardly any difference in policies between whichever party is in power.
 
Gray said:
The big problem is that all the best innovators, academics, scientists, business tycoons etc. do not want to be politicians so you end up with mainly ex-university PPE students as MP’s. They haven’t got a clue what they are doing so in actual fact it is the career Civil Servants that run the country, so there is hardly any difference in policies between whichever party is in power.
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Utter nonsense, I'm afraid. Are you Bigga in disguise?
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Miriam Cates (Penistone & Stocksbridge) was on the BBC earlier - she got awfully shouty and argumentative with the presenter. It felt like she was one who'd been told to go and defend the govt.
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I think i saw that. She did not come across well - but then its like that thing they used to do on 5 live - defend the indefensible...

The fall out will do damage. None of these people want to defend her. Its all about political capital. Tories lose it defending her. Piling in and calling her out would be a gain because public opinion will be very clear.
 
Gaudion M said:
I think i saw that. She did not come across well - but then its like that thing they used to do on 5 live - defend the indefensible...

The fall out will do damage. None of these people want to defend her. Its all about political capital. Tories lose it defending her. Piling in and calling her out would be a gain because public opinion will be very clear.
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Yes, she's toxic right now, but they don't lose anything by doing what they've done.

Whether this hurts much (or anyone cares) when the next council elections occur, we'll see, but the next general election is 4 years away and it'll have been forgotten.
 
This awful women is doing a ’Boris’. This afternoon she told the BBC that she didn’t know she was doing harm and that nobody told her, now her former top civil servant says she was told several times.

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Priti Patel was warned to treat staff with respect, says former official

Ex-top official questions inquiry’s finding that home secretary was not “aware” of impact of behaviour.
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Usual Friday night wind up from Boris. He cannot resist. He will have literally have us in two groups, standing on opposite sides of the country, before he's done.

Actually, truth may be he can't help it in this case. In terms of this cabinet, Priti is an old hand, one of the intellectual heavyweights. And this is only like, the third time she's been found guilty of serious misconduct.

IOW: He can't possibly afford another sacking, because his authority hangs by a thread. We'd end up with Steve Baker or sth. And he'd completely overpower Boris by lunchtime on his first day. Also Boris knows full well one scandal takes attention away from the next. There are only so many hours in the day. No-one can truly work through all this shit and nail him properly, without getting distracted by one of the other disasters that seems to require urgent attention.

All whilst he's unavoidably isolated. Crikey Boris. What are the chances? Just as well no-one really grew to depend on your leadership.
 
The problem with Patel is that she's got beliefs that a lot of the Twitterati mob disagree with plus she's an ethnic minority so a lot of them think they own her.

It's the same with someone like Corbyn. He rubs a lot of people up the wrong way so people naturally question whether the process is politicised and whether he is actually x, y, z although a lot of what Corbyn did is public record whereas bullying occurs behind doors although you'd argue Patel doesn't have a great track record for integrity either.

Either way, this will blow over in a few days outside of the Guardian.
 
Fame Monster said:
The problem with Patel is that she's got beliefs that a lot of the Twitterati mob disagree with plus she's an ethnic minority so a lot of them think they own her.

It's the same with someone like Corbyn. He rubs a lot of people up the wrong way so people naturally question whether the process is politicised and whether he is actually x, y, z although a lot of what Corbyn did is public record whereas bullying occurs behind doors although you'd argue Patel doesn't have a great track record for integrity either.

Either way, this will blow over in a few days outside of the Guardian.
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Its nothing to do with paragraph 1 and all to do with paragraph 2.

And the utrage is because this is the latest in a long line in a very short period of ministers doing shit that ministers with any honour would have resigned over,
 
Fame Monster said:
The problem with Patel is that she's got beliefs that a lot of the Twitterati mob disagree with plus she's an ethnic minority so a lot of them think they own her.

It's the same with someone like Corbyn. He rubs a lot of people up the wrong way so people naturally question whether the process is politicised and whether he is actually x, y, z although a lot of what Corbyn did is public record whereas bullying occurs behind doors although you'd argue Patel doesn't have a great track record for integrity either.

Either way, this will blow over in a few days outside of the Guardian.
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The problem is, these were contraventions of the ministerial code.

And it demonstrates that once again, there is one rule for friends of Boris, another for everyone else.

It's Trumpism, UK style. Or should I say, Bannonism, where constant, flagrant bending and breaking of the rules, and leaning on the arbiters reinforces that the leader has enough power to flout all conventions, and will use it.

It's also thought that more contraventions of law and process are better than a few, each story becomes less outrageous, the psychology is well understood, well if he did that then this can't be any worse.

Strongman politics. Signs are, it's not actually working that well for him. The Telegraph and Mail are now more critical of him than the BBC! The Spectator has been kicked back to the right, but until recently, they were gunning for him. See how long it all lasts. The right wing MPs keen on a no-deal will leave Boris needing Labour support in ginourmously significant votes next month. And the moderates are already far from happy. There are some really principled people amongst them, who could walk into any number of high paying prestigious jobs. It's a tug of war. They'll do well to not implode frequently. It's easy street for Starmer, it'll be empty net after empty net, all tiny, temporary victories, but once Brexit is out of the way (assuming we don't get a delay), that's Boris' mandate delivered and spent.
 
These people number @ 3m people ( plus their friends and families ) who are self employed entrepreneurs and natural Tory voters - this alone should worry Johnson - they need to be doing some research to see how they are spread about the country because the disaffection in the New Blue Wall seats allied to the alienation of natural Tory supporters could easily evaporate their majority

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Fame Monster said:
The problem with Patel is that she's got beliefs that a lot of the Twitterati mob disagree with plus she's an ethnic minority so a lot of them think they own her.

It's the same with someone like Corbyn. He rubs a lot of people up the wrong way so people naturally question whether the process is politicised and whether he is actually x, y, z although a lot of what Corbyn did is public record whereas bullying occurs behind doors although you'd argue Patel doesn't have a great track record for integrity either.

Either way, this will blow over in a few days outside of the Guardian.
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Just a reminder that Patel tried to divert British Aid to al-Qaida via Israel. She held twelve meetings with the Israelis including meeting with Netanyahu without informing officials in her own department, the UK Foreign Office or the office of the then Prime Minister May. She actually lied to them telling them that she was in Israel on holiday.

She attended all but one of those meetings with Stuart Polak, another Conservative, who is a member of the House of Lords.

She was caught because Yair Lapid (an Israeli Politician) tweeted a picture of them both meeting.



Even after apologising she continued to lie and failed to disclose two further meetings that she had attended with Israeli ministers without the presence of officials.

Illegal funding of ai-Qaida FFS ........the very group responsible for the 7th July London bombings.

She should be charged with treason and in prison..... not the Home Secretary.
 
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