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mat said:
www.disabilitynewsservice.com

DWP staff admit inflicting ‘psychological harm’ on claimants during coalition years

Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) staff and managers deliberately inflicted psychological harm on benefit claimants, engaged in unofficial sanctioning targets, and pushed disabled people into …
www.disabilitynewsservice.com www.disabilitynewsservice.com

No point in asking Tory voters of they are pleased with themselves.

Selfish pricks.
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I’m a Tory voter
Did you actually read any of that ?
Love all these anonymous sources,what a load of bollocks
 
Paulpowersleftfoot said:
I’m a Tory voter
Did you actually read any of that ?
Love all these anonymous sources,what a load of bollocks
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Tory voter not sure whether it was right to pressure people into getting sanctioned. In favour of ending the something for nothing culture but pretending there were no casualties. And doesn't want to believe that whistle blowers might prefer anonymity.
 
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Paulpowersleftfoot said:
I’m a Tory voter
Did you actually read any of that ?
Love all these anonymous sources,what a load of bollocks
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Ive attached an independent review conducted by a United Nations Rapporteur which concluded that the practices of the Department of Work and pensions operated under the Tories and the dogma of austerity has led to a massive increase in poverty, the use of food banks , and homelessness.

The report also criticises the lack of training of DWP Staff and the use of punitive sanctions for fairly minor infringements, Although the figure isn't included in the report , it is believed that up to 150,000 deaths can be attributed to Conservative welfare policies since 2010 and Professor Alston did mention this figure in an interview with BBC Radio 5 live.

ODS HOME PAGE

Multilingual interface of the UN Official Documents System
documents-dds-ny.un.org

I would recommend that you read the report (if not all of it then just the conclusions) because it has been accepted as factual by the United Nations . You will note that the Conservatives have rejected the report and failed to act on any of the recommendations , however the recent exercise of housing the homeless during the first pandemic lockdown has shown that the reports estimate of the homelessness numbers was much closer to the truth than the Tories estimate.

The report has been issued to all members of the United Nations ....... thats their view of the state of the UK.
 
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Still the same old, same old on here I see.
Let's see if the IMF prediction of the UK growth outstripping the EU and US
in 2022 raises hackles.
Of course, we must take into account that the IMF is almost certainly run by racist gammons determined to shit on the UK poor, who for some inexplicable reason appear not to be listening to those who know better, but here it is anyway...

 
Ancient Citizen said:
Still the same old, same old on here I see.
Let's see if the IMF prediction of the UK growth outstripping the EU and US
in 2022 raises hackles.
Of course, we must take into account that the IMF is almost certainly run by racist gammons determined to shit on the UK poor, who for some inexplicable reason appear not to be listening to those who know better, but here it is anyway...

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The real question is whether our growth will be higher overall when 2020 is taken into account. As we were one of the worst hit countries by the pandemic with a massive contraction in our economy in 2020 it's not too surprising that our growth will be at a higher percentage due to starting at a lower point, but will we catch up and overtake these other countries?
 
west didsblue said:
The real question is whether our growth will be higher overall when 2020 is taken into account. As we were one of the worst hit countries by the pandemic with a massive contraction in our economy in 2020 it's not too surprising that our growth will be at a higher percentage due to starting at a lower point, but will we catch up and overtake these other countries?
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As we are supposedly completely in the shit for evermore, according to this place, I suppose yet another could be or might do, in the face of something that doesn't rock along with the narrative does no harm.
 
west didsblue said:
The real question is whether our growth will be higher overall when 2020 is taken into account. As we were one of the worst hit countries by the pandemic with a massive contraction in our economy in 2020 it's not too surprising that our growth will be at a higher percentage due to starting at a lower point, but will we catch up and overtake these other countries?
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If you're interested this goes someway to explain why some countries looked like they'd had a more severe economic hit than others. All to do with how public spending is measured by the ONS. Input v output.

think.ing.com

Don’t be fooled by public consumption figures

Differences in measuring public consumption have exacerbated growth differentials in Europe. France and the UK, in particular, are likely to see a…
think.ing.com think.ing.com

There was a better article but I can't find it.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
As we are supposedly completely in the shit for evermore, according to this place, I suppose yet another could be or might do, in the face of something that doesn't rock along with the narrative does no harm.
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No idea then.
We'll ignore the worst downturn in 300 years and just look at some predictions of percentage growth from a really low starting point a bit like Trump's boasts about record jobs growth after an even bigger fall.
 
west didsblue said:
No idea then.
We'll ignore the worst downturn in 300 years and just look at some predictions of percentage growth from a really low starting point a bit like Trump's boasts about record jobs growth after an even bigger fall.
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This is a Conservative govt topic, the vast majority of comments rail about how shit it is, and how the country is going down the pan. A report from the IMF that contradicts that view won't go down well.
To be honest, I couldn't care less, at present Johnson is around 20 points ahead of Max Headroom, the Labour party itself is sinking fast, the traditional base it relied on now despises the metropolitan, woke shambles it's become, as the tories are now more in tune with them, even though they're fucking idiots at times. To think that Hartlepool, yes fucking Hartlepool, looks like swinging would have been unbelievable ten years ago, yet it probably will.
The Brexit party no longer exists, and its many supporters have moved to Boris, which means that Labour's vague hope a few years ago was only bolstered by Brexiteers leaving the Tories, saving them some northern seats, now they're back, and the party has no challengers.
As for the politics threads in general, other than this, which is still up, I haven't bothered with them, posts from one side get deleted, from the other, never, so I'll leave you chaps to it.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
This is a Conservative govt topic, the vast majority of comments rail about how shit it is, and how the country is going down the pan. A report from the IMF that contradicts that view won't go down well.
To be honest, I couldn't care less, at present Johnson is around 20 points ahead of Max Headroom, the Labour party itself is sinking fast, the traditional base it relied on now despises the metropolitan, woke shambles it's become, as the tories are now more in tune with them, even though they're fucking idiots at times. To think that Hartlepool, yes fucking Hartlepool, looks like swinging would have been unbelievable ten years ago, yet it probably will.
The Brexit party no longer exists, and its many supporters have moved to Boris, which means that Labour's vague hope a few years ago was only bolstered by Brexiteers leaving the Tories, saving them some northern seats, now they're back, and the party has no challengers.
As for the politics threads in general, other than this, which is still up, I haven't bothered with them, posts from one side get deleted, from the other, never, so I'll leave you chaps to it.
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Ok I get it.
You want to post cherry picked stats and not discuss the context.
Fine by me. I'll leave you to it.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Still the same old, same old on here I see.
Let's see if the IMF prediction of the UK growth outstripping the EU and US
in 2022 raises hackles.
Of course, we must take into account that the IMF is almost certainly run by racist gammons determined to shit on the UK poor, who for some inexplicable reason appear not to be listening to those who know better, but here it is anyway...

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Firstly, that has to be the longest link on record, secondly as the US is looking to pass a US$1.9 trillion infrastructure plan, which is on top of the trillion dollar recovery plan, the odds of the UK outstripping the US is remote.

The EU recovery fund of €750 billion looks rather insipid by comparison, although this will be on top of whatever funds national Govts inject into the economy.

Recovery will be largely dependent on how much public money Govts pump into the system, our performance will be no different. The more Govt money is pumped in, the faster the economy will grow.

The other factors that will handicap us is the lopsided deal with the EU, their industries face few barriers in trading with us, our industries are facing increased costs and greater logistic difficulties. As yet the barriers to Services are largely untested due to the pandemic. The internal UK trade barrier will also inhibit growth.

The other factor is the exodus of foreign workers because of the pandemic and the difficulties industries will face in rehiring from abroad because of the more restrictive and costly immigration rules. The caveat to this is no one really knows how many foreign nationals returned home, so some of the purported figures may not match reality.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Still the same old, same old on here I see.
Let's see if the IMF prediction of the UK growth outstripping the EU and US
in 2022 raises hackles.
Of course, we must take into account that the IMF is almost certainly run by racist gammons determined to shit on the UK poor, who for some inexplicable reason appear not to be listening to those who know better, but here it is anyway...

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For further context, German trade figures for February have been announced

China doing well (China reported positive growth in 2020). EU steady. UK well down. Replicate that across 27 countries, which is 50% of our overseas trade market, and do the maths.

Feb 2021 vs. Feb 2020

German exports to:
-1.2% total
-0.3% EU
+25.7% China
-12.2% UK

German imports from:
+0.9% total
+0.7% EU
+32.5% China
-26.9% UK
 
Funny that.

Tories ignore evidence of their party destroying the lives of the poor and disabled and try and change the subject to the economy.

Says it all. Money over everything else.
 
BobKowalski said:
Firstly, that has to be the longest link on record, secondly as the US is looking to pass a US$1.9 trillion infrastructure plan, which is on top of the trillion dollar recovery plan, the odds of the UK outstripping the US is remote.

The EU recovery fund of €750 billion looks rather insipid by comparison, although this will be on top of whatever funds national Govts inject into the economy.

Recovery will be largely dependent on how much public money Govts pump into the system, our performance will be no different. The more Govt money is pumped in, the faster the economy will grow.

The other factors that will handicap us is the lopsided deal with the EU, their industries face few barriers in trading with us, our industries are facing increased costs and greater logistic difficulties. As yet the barriers to Services are largely untested due to the pandemic. The internal UK trade barrier will also inhibit growth.

The other factor is the exodus of foreign workers because of the pandemic and the difficulties industries will face in rehiring from abroad because of the more restrictive and costly immigration rules. The caveat to this is no one really knows how many foreign nationals returned home, so some of the purported figures may not match reality.
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But but .... surely not? Are you saying the way out a financial crisis is to pump money into the economy , goods and services and not the usual Tory mantra of austerity and cuts?
 
The Greensill story continuing in the Sunday Times

‘David Cameron e-mailed No10 aide saying it was "nuts" to exclude Greensill from Covid loans

He said: "What we need most is for Rishi to have a good look at this and ask officials to find a way of making it work"

www.thetimes.co.uk

David Cameron spent two months browbeating Rishi Sunak’s officials

David Cameron resigned as prime minister and left No 10 in July 2016. But when the pandemic tore through Downing Street almost four years later, it was as if he
www.thetimes.co.uk www.thetimes.co.uk
 
BobKowalski said:
The Greensill story continuing in the Sunday Times

‘David Cameron e-mailed No10 aide saying it was "nuts" to exclude Greensill from Covid loans

He said: "What we need most is for Rishi to have a good look at this and ask officials to find a way of making it work"

www.thetimes.co.uk

David Cameron spent two months browbeating Rishi Sunak’s officials

David Cameron resigned as prime minister and left No 10 in July 2016. But when the pandemic tore through Downing Street almost four years later, it was as if he
www.thetimes.co.uk www.thetimes.co.uk
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I did say that this was a scandal that the Tories would want to go away as quickly as possible but it doesn't look as though its going to .... using taxpayers cash to help out their mates.

Nothing compared to what Gideon Osborne got up to to hide and develop his own personal wealth.
 
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