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Yeah but how do they rid themselves of her? Their own rules prevent a new confidence vote - she has vowed to leave anyway once she has "delivered Brexit" ( shorthand for if you want rid of me accept my WA ) - she has shown herself stubborn and thick skinned enough to ignore any threats/challenges to her position so far - I suspect there is only her and her husband who want her in number 10 but she has the door keys in her "cold dead hand" .... how is the question.
 
I have not paid too close attention, but if I have it correct - Graham Brady is about to tell her (tomorrow) that if she does not go in June then the party will change its rules and set aside the 12month window period to allow another challenge
 
117 M34 said:
Nothing at all linked to politics but I heard a city fan walk past the spurs end today and call them tory bastards.
Made me chuckle
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Not strictly true as David Lammy is Labour MP for Tottenham but suppose they may not live there.
 
What are the Tories doing handing over control of the country's communications network to the Chinese?
Also is Mavis attending the funeral of the female journalist shot dead by the IRA in the UK ( the Irish PM is)?
Just another day for the Tories, tearing the country apart again.
 
Len Rum said:
What are the Tories doing handing over control of the country's communications network to the Chinese?
Also is Mavis attending the funeral of the female journalist shot dead by the IRA in the UK ( the Irish PM is)?
Just another day for the Tories, tearing the country apart again.
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She is, apparently. As is Corbyn.
 
So, the tories can change the rules on electing a new leader at the drop of a hat. Read new Prime Minister, who we will absolutely no choice in electing and yet a new Brexit vote is out of the question because we have had a vote already. Doesn’t make sense to me. This way of running, sorry ruining, the country may have been OK 100 years ago before universal suffrage but today it is outmoded and unfair. People feel disenfranchised enough already and it is no wonder few people turn out to vote.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
So, the tories can change the rules on electing a new leader at the drop of a hat. Read new Prime Minister, who we will absolutely no choice in electing and yet a new Brexit vote is out of the question because we have had a vote already. Doesn’t make sense to me. This way of running, sorry ruining, the country may have been OK 100 years ago before universal suffrage but today it is outmoded and unfair. People feel disenfranchised enough already and it is no wonder few people turn out to vote.
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Drop of a hat?

This is the May-Bot. Its unrelenting and indistructable lol
 
So now they want to stop Pensioner benefits and give the money to the younger generation because they are less well off. Anyone think the money will go to them? Here an answer - how about giving more benefits to the less well off?
 
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I suspect even they could see through how that would look in a democracy......
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Not sure that's got anything to do with it to be honest. If they gave a shit about "how it would look" wrt to all sorts of things, then the party wouldn't be in the utterly dire straights it is in. And whether we like it or not, parties being able to change their leader without a GE is the way it is. Gordon Brown was never elected as PM by the british electorate was he.

The 1 year challenge rule is simply a Tory party rule and nothing more, but I think it's a crap rule and leaders should be open to be challenged daily. Under the rules a challenge needs a certain number of signatures (is it 50, I can't remember) before the challenge has to be defended, so in practice the PM is never going to get challenged daily, but the alternative of only once a year, leaves us with this utterly ridiculous situation that a dreadful PM who commands bugger-all support across the population, cannot be got rid of. That cannot be right.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Not sure that's got anything to do with it to be honest. If they gave a shit about "how it would look" wrt to all sorts of things, then the party wouldn't be in the utterly dire straights it is in. And whether we like it or not, parties being able to change their leader without a GE is the way it is. Gordon Brown was never elected as PM by the british electorate was he.

The 1 year challenge rule is simply a Tory party rule and nothing more, but I think it's a crap rule and leaders should be open to be challenged daily. Under the rules a challenge needs a certain number of signatures (is it 50, I can't remember) before the challenge has to be defended, so in practice the PM is never going to get challenged daily, but the alternative of only once a year, leaves us with this utterly ridiculous situation that a dreadful PM who commands bugger-all support across the population, cannot be got rid of. That cannot be right.
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But its yet more justification (if it was needed) how much of a clusterfuck they are in. They have a leader who is the worst PM in history her ratings are so poor they've given up looking at them and yet they have tried and still can't get rid of her. Like as one of her ministers Graylings was once described as (by a Tory MP) "The shit that wouldn't flush"

Surely to god if they didn't want all they need is a secret ballot and a letter from a significant number of MP's to say we won't back you anymore and will vote against or abstain in every vote it's time to go. But your party can't even manage that these fuckwits can't even manage that what an absolute shit shower.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
So now they want to stop Pensioner benefits and give the money to the younger generation because they are less well off. Anyone think the money will go to them? Here an answer - how about giving more benefits to the less well off?
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Pensioner benefits aren’t enough as it is.

I’m in the younger generation so will benefit but a state pension is hardly anything.
 
These leadership challenges to May are pathetic and unbelievably short-sighted from the sly, 'bastard' element of the Tories. As soon as they flush out all the centrists and pursue this hard Brexit that so much of their membership want, the party will split into two.
 
Fame Monster said:
These leadership challenges to May are pathetic and unbelievably short-sighted from the sly, 'bastard' element of the Tories. As soon as they flush out all the centrists and pursue this hard Brexit that so much of their membership want, the party will split into two.
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I don’t think it will split in two. Whereas the conservatives were always historically a broad church, from the one-nation ‘Tory wet’ wing to the right wing of the party, now the one nation element is steadily becoming marginalised. The local grass roots activists however have largely been the more reactionary element - retired colonels and daily mail aficionados etc. What I foresee happening is a more gradual process where the Conservative party becomes entrenched in the ground occupied by its constituency membership, maybe with Farage returning to the fold, while the more moderate element starts to follow Anna Soubry and Heidi Allen out of the party.
 
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