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[Rascal]

We thought about tearing this down.

Eventually the committee decided we’re going to throw eggs during it’s unveiling.

Wait until its done, then put a pointy hat on its head and a broom in its hands.

 

[Chris in London]

There’s being angry and then there’s the scribblings of maniacs and this is how this thread reads.

Who genuinely gets up to attack statues of dead people?

Ironic that a statue to Thatcher, who did so much to obstruct the imposition of economic sanctions against the apartheid regime in South Africa, is being erected just as thought is being given to whether statues of those figures who have benefitted from institutional racism should remain in place.

 

[Rascal]

There’s being angry and then there’s the scribblings of maniacs and this is how this thread reads.

Who genuinely gets up to attack statues of dead people?

You are only a baby you didn't have to live through her time as PM. A time when the fucking witch all but destroyed the fabric of the North, wrecked industry, used the police as a political weapon, threw millions out of work, started selling off the nations assets to the private sector, increased poverty, and was so fucking mentally deranged that in the end her own MPs had to sack her once they had grown some bollox.

She was a stain on the nation and a statue of her is an insult to the working class of this country.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

We thought about tearing this down.

Eventually the committee decided we’re going to throw eggs during it’s unveiling.

The only crowds waiting to see that unveiled will be crowds of pigeons.

 

[mat]

You are only a baby you didn't have to live through her time as PM. A time when the fucking witch all but destroyed the fabric of the North, wrecked industry, used the police as a political weapon, threw millions out of work, started selling off the nations assets to the private sector, increased poverty, and was so fucking mentally deranged that in the end her own MPs had to sack her once they had grown some bollox.

She was a stain on the nation and a statue of her is an insult to the working class of this country.

I'd suggest the poster visit some mining towns and ask the locals how she was trying to starve them out. A friend and colleague of mine had his home torn apart by police for supporting them both financially and with food. (He was branch secretary for his NUR branch at the time who organised weekly whip rounds and food donations. As well as refuse his trains with coal during the action). In fact if I ask him he'll happily discuss that time of his of life which he says was a mix of the best and worst of humanity.

Back on topic.

The PM scraped through a vote last night and the roll out of the Vaccines is announced. Coincidence.

 

[mat]

The only crowds waiting to see that unveiled will be crowds of pigeons.

 

[Ban-jani]

You are only a baby you didn't have to live through her time as PM. A time when the fucking witch all but destroyed the fabric of the North, wrecked industry, used the police as a political weapon, threw millions out of work, started selling off the nations assets to the private sector, increased poverty, and was so fucking mentally deranged that in the end her own MPs had to sack her once they had grown some bollox.

She was a stain on the nation and a statue of her is an insult to the working class of this country.

I wasn’t alive you’re right but still have a good understanding of what happened, just as you weren’t alive (I don’t think?) during the Victorian times but you’re able to understand what it was like to live then. I have the benefit of having parents to ask about the 80’s.
I just find the anger and the need to destroy and attack things through violence sad. There’s plenty of political figures I detest, Cameron being one who’s policies radically affected my life at a critical point but I wouldnt smash up his statue because I’m an adult.

 

[Ban-jani]

Ironic that a statue to Thatcher, who did so much to obstruct the imposition of economic sanctions against the apartheid regime in South Africa, is being erected just as thought is being given to whether statues of those figures who have benefitted from institutional racism should remain in place.

If we only erect statues of politicians without a chequered past, we’d never have any.

Which is what you may want but you could look at any PM and highlight atrocities done because of their policies.

 

[mexico1970]

I wasn’t alive you’re right but still have a good understanding of what happened, just as you weren’t alive (I don’t think?) during the Victorian times but you’re able to understand what it was like to live then. I have the benefit of having parents to ask about the 80’s.
I just find the anger and the need to destroy and attack things through violence sad. There’s plenty of political figures I detest, Cameron being one who’s policies radically affected my life at a critical point but I wouldnt smash up his statue because I’m an adult.

I was alive at the time and my overriding memories are of the winter of discontent that laid the way for Thatchers government. As I have gotten older I have come to realise that it's people in power that are the problem whatever rossette they have on their blazers.

 

[Ban-jani]

I was alive at the time and my overriding memories are of the winter of discontent that laid the way for Thatchers government. As I have gotten older I have come to realise that it's people in power that are the problem whatever rossette they have on their blazers.

I get the age thing levelled all the time, it’s alright.

It only further highlights men their age shouldn’t be so bitter and angry about a statue they’ll never have to work past.

 

[mexico1970]

I get the age thing levelled all the time, it’s alright.

It only further highlights men their age shouldn’t be so bitter and angry about a statue they’ll never have to work past.

People today who complain about Churchill and Nelson and even Drake shouldn't have an opinion because they weren't born at that time using their own metric.

 

[Rascal]

I was alive at the time and my overriding memories are of the winter of discontent that laid the way for Thatchers government. As I have gotten older I have come to realise that it's people in power that are the problem whatever rossette they have on their blazers.

Ah! The winter of discontent, used cynically by Thatcher to attack the Unions and destroy Union power. What is often forgotten is that the winter of discontent and associated ills of the late 70s were because of the direct influence of the stupidity of Heaths incomes policy, a Government no less that had Thatcher the Milk Snatcher as Education secretary.

How callous can be a person be to take a 1/3rd of a pint of milk from a primary school kid at a time of a national crisis caused by the very same government.

 

[mexico1970]

Ah! The winter of discontent, used cynically by Thatcher to attack the Unions and destroy Union power. What is often forgotten is that the winter of discontent and associated ills of the late 70s were because of the direct influence of the stupidity of Heaths incomes policy, a Government no less that had Thatcher the Milk Snatcher as Education secretary.

How callous can be a person be to take a 1/3rd of a pint of milk from a primary school kid at a time of a national crisis caused by the very same government.

Too simplistic and you are intelligent enough to know this, sitting in a cold house with power cuts and strikes happening every day with union bosses running the country there was only one way this deadlock was going to be broken.

How do I know this? I lived through it and have first hand experience of what it was like to live in poverty at that time, I will concede that the Tories were a bunch of utter Twats but they were voted in because of the stranglehold unions had over people in this country.

 

[Rascal]

I get the age thing levelled all the time, it’s alright.

It only further highlights men their age shouldn’t be so bitter and angry about a statue they’ll never have to work past.

I am not angry about a statue, there should never be one in the first place. I wouldn't tear it down either but i would use it a reminder of how evil once ran the country disguised in a blue skirt, bouffant hairdo and a ridiculous fake posh voice.

Would you happy for a statue of Oswald Moseley to be erected on Cable Street?

 

[Ban-jani]

People today who complain about Churchill and Nelson and even Drake shouldn't have an opinion because they weren't born at that time using their own metric.

Hypocrisy isn’t something people understand well these days, only total hatred of anyone that disagrees with them.

I don’t like the Tories but spending all day every day posting vitriol about them in this echo chamber is boring and sad.

 

[mexico1970]

I am not angry about a statue, there should never be one in the first place. I wouldn't tear it down either but i would use it a reminder of how evil once ran the country disguised in a blue skirt, bouffant hairdo and a ridiculous fake posh voice.

Would you happy for a statue of Oswald Moseley to be erected on Cable Street?

That's what history is bud, it doesn't have to be good and it doesn't have to be bad. Get the statue up and then teach the good and bad of the person the statue emulates.

As for Moseley there could be a statue showing how fascism was smashed there and that would be suitable because it's factual no?

 

[Ban-jani]

I am not angry about a statue, there should never be one in the first place. I wouldn't tear it down either but i would use it a reminder of how evil once ran the country disguised in a blue skirt, bouffant hairdo and a ridiculous fake posh voice.

Would you happy for a statue of Oswald Moseley to be erected on Cable Street?

Well no, because he never accomplished anything did he? Comparing a 3 times elected Prime Minister and the first female getting a statue in her home town, to a fascist, who never achieved anything getting one in the area they antagonised people, is a bit silly isn’t it?

 

[Rascal]

Too simplistic and you are intelligent enough to know this, sitting in a cold house with power cuts and strikes happening every day with union bosses running the country there was only one way this deadlock was going to be broken.

How do I know this? I lived through it and have first hand experience of what it was like to live in poverty at that time, I will concede that the Tories were a bunch of utter Twats but they were voted in because of the stranglehold unions had over people in this country.

They were voted in because of a perception that the unions had a stranglehold on the nation. Fact and fiction are not the same thing.

If you wish read Dominic Sandbrook's book Season in the Sun about the 1970s, he was a Tory as well and he was scathing of Heath and the effects of his disastrous incomes policy that fuelled the rise of industrial unrest. It was Heath who was the cause, the Unions were the reactor's.

 

[Rascal]

Well no, because he never accomplished anything did he? Comparing a 3 times elected Prime Minister and the first female getting a statue in her home town, to a fascist, who never achieved anything getting one in the area they antagonised people, is a bit silly isn’t it?

I listed Thatcher's "achievements" and you think they are worthy of a statue, they aren't worth shit, she was a fucking witch and i despise her for what she did to this country and for the amount of lives she ruined.

 

[mexico1970]

They were voted in because of a perception that the unions had a stranglehold on the nation. Fact and fiction are not the same thing.

If you wish read Dominic Sandbrook's book Season in the Sun about the 1970s, he was a Tory as well and he was scathing of Heath and the effects of his disastrous incomes policy that fuelled the rise of industrial unrest. It was Heath who was the cause, the Unions were the reactor's.

I am talking about my experience and the experience of others of my generation and social class bud, not everyone reads books on political literature then bases their vote or support on factually correct recollections or outright propoganda.

My take on politics is that one party taking power always has a honeymoon period of blaming the last one, if we could all get a chance to vote for the list you posted a while back then I'd be for it, but you'll never convince a young man of that era that the unions were a good thing in practice.