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mexico1970 said:
That's what history is bud, it doesn't have to be good and it doesn't have to be bad. Get the statue up and then teach the good and bad of the person the statue emulates.

As for Moseley there could be a statue showing how fascism was smashed there and that would be suitable because it's factual no?
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As for Thatcher we could have a statue of her in a sewage farm, because that would be a suitable place for it,. Amongst a big pile of shit.
 
mexico1970 said:
I am talking about my experience and the experience of others of my generation and social class bud, not everyone reads books on political literature then bases their vote or support on factually correct recollections or outright propoganda.

My take on politics is that one party taking power always has a honeymoon period of blaming the last one, if we could all get a chance to vote for the list you posted a while back then I'd be for it, but you'll never convince a young man of that era that the unions were a good thing in practice.
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I am a young man of that era.
 
Rascal said:
As for Thatcher we could have a statue of her in a sewage farm, because that would be a suitable place for it,. Amongst a big pile of shit.
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Wrong context, it should be in either her constituency or the Houses Of Parliament, policies should be discussed as part of history, those policies that are both good and bad.
 
Rascal said:
I listed Thatcher's "achievements" and you think they are worthy of a statue, they aren't worth shit, she was a fucking witch and i despise her for what she did to this country and for the amount of lives she ruined.
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You don’t have to agree with her policies to appreciate the figure she was and the achievement of not only becoming the first female PM, but to be elected three times.

Her statue is in her home town, if the locals don’t want it they can campaign to not have it.
 
mexico1970 said:
I am talking about my experience and the experience of others of my generation and social class bud, not everyone reads books on political literature then bases their vote or support on factually correct recollections or outright propoganda.

My take on politics is that one party taking power always has a honeymoon period of blaming the last one, if we could all get a chance to vote for the list you posted a while back then I'd be for it, but you'll never convince a young man of that era that the unions were a good thing in practice.
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I was unionised in that era - 79 to 95 I worked at the CIS. Non contrib pension for all those years - agreed no redundancies between Union and Management - free canteen in the basement at Miller Street- snooker tables and other sports facilities in the lower basement free to use - Christmas and Summer pay bonus - decent pay rises every year to reflect our share of the profits - good T's and C's of employment....... yeah in my experience as a young man in that era the union was never a good thing in practise.....
 
bluethrunthru said:
I was unionised in that era - 79 to 95 I worked at the CIS. Non contrib pension for all those years - agreed no redundancies between Union and Management - free canteen in the basement at Miller Street- snooker tables and other sports facilities in the lower basement free to use - Christmas and Summer pay bonus - decent pay rises every year to reflect our share of the profits - good T's and C's of employment....... yeah in my experience as a young man in that era the union was never a good thing in practise.....
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That is the thing about Unions, when Unions are strong, the economy is at its strongest.

There is a direct correlation between the two, plus a happy workforce that is well renumerated and has good T&Cs is more productive.

The US economy was at its strongest when Union power was at its peak and taxes were at there highest. It is since the advent of Neo-liberalism and its deregulation and anti-union bent have economies slumped.

The crusade against Union power was never really about curtailing power, it was about making sure more of a workers surplus value ended up in the hands of the capitalist class.
 
mexico1970 said:
I am talking about my experience and the experience of others of my generation and social class bud, not everyone reads books on political literature then bases their vote or support on factually correct recollections or outright propoganda.

My take on politics is that one party taking power always has a honeymoon period of blaming the last one, if we could all get a chance to vote for the list you posted a while back then I'd be for it, but you'll never convince a young man of that era that the unions were a good thing in practice.
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The union got me regraded up in a job I'd only just got (20 of us).

Unions - the people who gave us the weekend.

Tories - reviving the Lump. (Wait for them peeling back the EU legislation on who counts as an "employee".)
 
This lot are determined to keep exams this year. They want to 'level' the playing field for all students by making the exams easier. How does that "level" the playing field? It just makes it easier for those who are able to get to school or have better support from home to get better grades - Those in less disadvantaged areas. This lot do not give a sh1t. It makes me so angry.
 
Ban-jani said:
I wasn’t alive you’re right but still have a good understanding of what happened, just as you weren’t alive (I don’t think?) during the Victorian times but you’re able to understand what it was like to live then. I have the benefit of having parents to ask about the 80’s.
I just find the anger and the need to destroy and attack things through violence sad. There’s plenty of political figures I detest, Cameron being one who’s policies radically affected my life at a critical point but I wouldnt smash up his statue because I’m an adult.
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Fight fire with fire.
 
Vic said:
Interesting q from the MP for Wakefield straight after Starmer (13.40), implying that the red wall constituencies had been deliberately neglected because they voted Labour.
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Bounced from the Liar Boris thread, as a parliamentary committee (Conservative majority of course) has its own suspicions.

Money offered to English towns under a programme to boost local economies was awarded in a way that lacked transparency and risks the integrity of the civil service, according to the House of Commons public accounts committee (PAC).​


It is nearly 18 months since Boris Johnson announced the creation of the £3.6bn Towns Fund. The 101 towns that successfully made the shortlist for Town Deals were announced in September 2019 – three months before the general election.

A report by the PAC into the selection of towns for the shortlist casts doubt on the way that towns were chosen during the summer of 2019 by Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick and Jake Berry, then minister for the Northern Powerhouse.

The two ministers used a framework drawn up by officials at the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government but were given discretion over which towns they selected from medium and low-priority groups.

Ultimately, Jenrick chose a town from Berry’s constituency while Berry chose the main town in Jenrick’s. According to the PAC, the ministry has not been open about the process it followed and failed to disclose the reasoning for selecting or excluding towns.

“This lack of transparency has fuelled accusations of political bias in the selection process and is a risk to the civil service’s reputation for integrity and impartiality,” says a report published by the PAC on November 11.
 
Vic said:
Bounced from the Liar Boris thread, as a parliamentary committee (Conservative majority of course) has its own suspicions.

Money offered to English towns under a programme to boost local economies was awarded in a way that lacked transparency and risks the integrity of the civil service, according to the House of Commons public accounts committee (PAC).​


It is nearly 18 months since Boris Johnson announced the creation of the £3.6bn Towns Fund. The 101 towns that successfully made the shortlist for Town Deals were announced in September 2019 – three months before the general election.

A report by the PAC into the selection of towns for the shortlist casts doubt on the way that towns were chosen during the summer of 2019 by Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick and Jake Berry, then minister for the Northern Powerhouse.

The two ministers used a framework drawn up by officials at the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government but were given discretion over which towns they selected from medium and low-priority groups.

Ultimately, Jenrick chose a town from Berry’s constituency while Berry chose the main town in Jenrick’s. According to the PAC, the ministry has not been open about the process it followed and failed to disclose the reasoning for selecting or excluding towns.

“This lack of transparency has fuelled accusations of political bias in the selection process and is a risk to the civil service’s reputation for integrity and impartiality,” says a report published by the PAC on November 11.
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Tories rewarding their own. Who'd have thought it...?
 
mat said:
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Looks like the tories have jumped the gun if they are planning this as insurance.
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Surely that’s a sensible step to encourage take up, rather than a stick to beat them with?
 
Ric said:
Surely that’s a sensible step to encourage take up, rather than a stick to beat them with?
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To be honest mate. I'm having difficulty defining what they are doing for the good of the people they were elected to represent. When I read this, along with Fauci's comments earlier I came to the conclusion they've rushed getting it out and this compo scheme is an arse covering exercise if it goes tits up.
 
mat said:
To be honest mate. I'm having difficulty defining what they are doing for the good of the people they were elected to represent. When I read this, along with Fauci's comments earlier I came to the conclusion they've rushed getting it out and this compo scheme is an arse covering exercise if it goes tits up.
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Fauci has apologised and retracted his comments.

The key is to be objective, hammer them when they fuck up and they often do, but then admit when they do get the odd thing correct.
 
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