The damage done by 20 year's inferiority to Man United

[Sigh]

The latest is:

"Please like Liverpool or people'll think we're like the rags".

*vomits*

 

[Bibinho]

i was born in 1990 and everyone in the playground, football pitch etc wore united shirts, supported united etc... me and a handful of friends im still close to are blues... the amount of drivel iv heard over the years and the torment i have personally had to put up with has been horrible.

but im a firm beliver in karma.

 

[spam1967]

Through spending far too much time on here I honestly think that a large section of our younger fanbase have become permanently damaged by the club spending the last 20 years playing second fiddle to Man United. Us older fans remember City being more or less equals to United in terms of success and fanbase. We remember when City had legions of fans in Manchester, and were acknowledged nationally as one of the country's biggest clubs.

But for fans under about 30 there are a large section who are totally and utterly insecure. Totally paranoid. They see bias in everything. Everyone is accused of being "a rag". Now City have become successful they have become obsessively concerned with comparing the club to United. They are frightened to death that even though we have a better team, United might continue to dominate the headlines.

So you get these "Reds Under The Bed" paranoid blues sitting with the remote control in their hand, counting the number of City goals on the Match of The Day credits and going mad if there aren't more than United. You get people watching Sunday Supplement purely so they can get outraged at a bunch of professional journalists being paid to give a contraversial opinion. You get accusations of pro-United agendas everywhere from the MEN to the BBC to Sky to FIFA to the referees. You get every signing, or non signing, looked at in regards to how it will be perceived by Man United fans.

I can't blame you I suppose. For twenty years in Manchester the majority of kids are United. Most of them are fucking wankers brought up on gloating about a team they only have a passing interest in. It can't have been easy being a blue in a school full of these shallow tossbags.

But can't you hold your heads up and be proper champions? All they are now are an equal footing rival, like Chelsea. Nothing more, nothing less. Stop comparing everything we do with them because the days of City fans needing to do that are gone. They have no Sheikh, they have a Yank parasite. They have no Silva, they have an ageing liar. They have a silent stadium full of tools and are supported around the world by idiots.

We are fucking City. We are fucking champions. It's time some of you young blues got your heads up and acted like it. Stop looking over your shoulders all the time. Stop fretting and feeling insecure about stuff that really doesn't matter.

translate into 3 words.

city are back.

 

[Skashion]

That's the insecure/paranoid angle.

There are about 3 million Man United fans in this country. That means there are 57 million who don't support them. And if there's anything that our title win in May should tell you it's that the vast majority of non-Man United fans love it when they lose or cock up.

So using your logic, that the papers slant their stories to please their audience, then there should be much more negative press than positive press for Man United.

Interestingly, a lot of their fans think there is an "ABU" slant in the press for this exact reason.

But my thread is about much more than just the continual "agenda/bias" bleating. It's about the fact that every time we put tickets on sale, an element of our support (and I still think it's mainly the young ones) start fretting about whether it will sell out. Every time we start a song, people start fretting about whether it is "rag-like". A couple on here have even admitted that their first thought when we are losing is what their United mates will say.

Is this to do with yoof though, or is it paranoid and insecure people of all ages?

 

[Nascent Blues]

The thing is for the last 30 odd years we haven't had anything to be paranoid about. We've had the piss taken out of us for being shit and been mocked as an irrelevance as we dropped like a stone and then, miraculously, rose like the proverbial phoenix. I believe our recent history (pre Abu Dhabi) cultivated an indifference towards such insults: we, as fans, rather than get all defensive and morose found resilience in jocular humour, self-depreciation and a morbid interest and obsession in our team's apparant propensity for snatching the negative from the jaws of the positive. I mean, 'We never win at home...' isn't entrenched in paranoia, more so the concrete knowledge that we are City and we're gonna fuck it up but, you know what, fuck it as they are our team and that's what counts.

I think part of the reason for the emerging fears of some supporters is the very fact that we have arrived, we are champions and regardless of this fact, the team most likely to remove that accolade from us (for the moment at least) is the rags, the team that we all despise. As Bob Dylan sang 'If you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose'; this was us before being taken over but now we do have something to lose: the seemingly impossible dream we had for years, that of being champions. I mean, come on, I know we can't remain permanently at the top but losing it to them cunts would hurt the most. I don't think this is paranoia, rather more an inability to enjoy the moment (not the game v QPR but actually being present champions) for fear of the future which, I believe and with time, will be easier to handle for a lot of fans as we become more successful on the pitch.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't get all this thing about being paranoid about Uniteds success over the past 20 years ..... i couldn't give a fuck what they've won , it's certainly never bothered me one bit ....... i pick and choose the rags i speak to , most of them talk shite and have no idea of life outside of Old Trafford , but you do get the odd one who has a 'wider' view and makes for decent listening

but if i was really worried about their success , i'd have joined their bandwagon , like millions of Asians have ..... as it is , only ONE club has ever really mattered to me , and only ONE club ever will do !

 

[Nascent Blues]

I don't get all this thing about being paranoid about Uniteds success over the past 20 years ..... i couldn't give a fuck what they've won , it's certainly never bothered me one bit ....... i pick and choose the rags i speak to , most of them talk shite and have no idea of life outside of Old Trafford , but you do get the odd one who has a 'wider' view and makes for decent listening

but if i was really worried about their success , i'd have joined their bandwagon , like millions of Asians have ..... as it is , only ONE club has ever really mattered to me , and only ONE club ever will do !

The thing is though for the last 20 odd years their success didn't affect us in any way, other than a tool used by them to try and take the piss. Now what they do does matter to us as they are a direct rival, which makes the relationship between us and them more intense. For instance, against Everton on Monday night I was buzzing that they had got beat, but it was for the same reason why I was gutted that Reading didn't hang on for a point or 3 on Wednesday against Chelsea: they will be there or there abouts come may.

 

[taconinja]

That's the insecure/paranoid angle.

There are about 3 million Man United fans in this country. That means there are 57 million who don't support them. And if there's anything that our title win in May should tell you it's that the vast majority of non-Man United fans love it when they lose or cock up.

So using your logic, that the papers slant their stories to please their audience, then there should be much more negative press than positive press for Man United.

Interestingly, a lot of their fans think there is an "ABU" slant in the press for this exact reason.

But my thread is about much more than just the continual "agenda/bias" bleating. It's about the fact that every time we put tickets on sale, an element of our support (and I still think it's mainly the young ones) start fretting about whether it will sell out. Every time we start a song, people start fretting about whether it is "rag-like". A couple on here have even admitted that their first thought when we are losing is what their United mates will say.

Is this to do with yoof though, or is it paranoid and insecure people of all ages?

The latter.

 

[Blue Dawson]

Through spending far too much time on here I honestly think that a large section of our younger fanbase have become permanently damaged by the club spending the last 20 years playing second fiddle to Man United. Us older fans remember City being more or less equals to United in terms of success and fanbase. We remember when City had legions of fans in Manchester, and were acknowledged nationally as one of the country's biggest clubs.

But for fans under about 30 there are a large section who are totally and utterly insecure. Totally paranoid. They see bias in everything. Everyone is accused of being "a rag". Now City have become successful they have become obsessively concerned with comparing the club to United. They are frightened to death that even though we have a better team, United might continue to dominate the headlines.

So you get these "Reds Under The Bed" paranoid blues sitting with the remote control in their hand, counting the number of City goals on the Match of The Day credits and going mad if there aren't more than United. You get people watching Sunday Supplement purely so they can get outraged at a bunch of professional journalists being paid to give a contraversial opinion. You get accusations of pro-United agendas everywhere from the MEN to the BBC to Sky to FIFA to the referees. You get every signing, or non signing, looked at in regards to how it will be perceived by Man United fans.

I can't blame you I suppose. For twenty years in Manchester the majority of kids are United. Most of them are fucking wankers brought up on gloating about a team they only have a passing interest in. It can't have been easy being a blue in a school full of these shallow tossbags.

But can't you hold your heads up and be proper champions? All they are now are an equal footing rival, like Chelsea. Nothing more, nothing less. Stop comparing everything we do with them because the days of City fans needing to do that are gone. They have no Sheikh, they have a Yank parasite. They have no Silva, they have an ageing liar. They have a silent stadium full of tools and are supported around the world by idiots.

We are fucking City. We are fucking champions. It's time some of you young blues got your heads up and acted like it. Stop looking over your shoulders all the time. Stop fretting and feeling insecure about stuff that really doesn't matter.

Whilst I broadly share your sentiments on this, I am slightly more towards the centre, so to speak.

Whilst I agree that some of the paranoia is beyond parody there is no doubt that the media favour united, albeit unconsciously a lot of the time.

This is mainly a function of them being at the top table for so long, rather than anything more especially sinister. A particular case in point is their manager. He is allowed to get away with far more than any other manager in the game. He is allowed to misrepresent ("united teams always try and win"); be petulant and downright rude (refusing to speak to the BBC); hypocritical ("I wouldn't sell them a virus"); make outlandish and wholly incorrect predictions ("not in my lifetime"); insult other clubs in a disrespectful way ("a small club with a small mentality") ; and bring destruction down upon his own club (the Coolmore fiasco).

He can do all these things without fear of the widespread ridicule and derision from the media that would be visited upon any other manager for the same things - Benitez's 'list' being a case in point.

He manages this through a combination of his longevity and success in the job - which granted should give him a degree of leeway; his ability to bully and impose his will upon the press - often resulting in many journalists being banned from the club; and a desire for the media to retain a degree of favour and influence within the one of the most powerful sporting brands on the planet.

Against that backdrop it is understandable that City fans feel there is an agenda of sorts. To what degree depends on each individual's view of how the world works I guess, but it is unreasonable of you to expect fans not to resent the way their local rivals (and by implication their own club) are perceived (and treated) , being dictated by a bully.

Spot on!!!!!!!!!

 

[Aguero_Element]

Through spending far too much time on here I honestly think that a large section of our younger fanbase have become permanently damaged by the club spending the last 20 years playing second fiddle to Man United. Us older fans remember City being more or less equals to United in terms of success and fanbase. We remember when City had legions of fans in Manchester, and were acknowledged nationally as one of the country's biggest clubs.

But for fans under about 30 there are a large section who are totally and utterly insecure. Totally paranoid. They see bias in everything. Everyone is accused of being "a rag". Now City have become successful they have become obsessively concerned with comparing the club to United. They are frightened to death that even though we have a better team, United might continue to dominate the headlines.

So you get these "Reds Under The Bed" paranoid blues sitting with the remote control in their hand, counting the number of City goals on the Match of The Day credits and going mad if there aren't more than United. You get people watching Sunday Supplement purely so they can get outraged at a bunch of professional journalists being paid to give a contraversial opinion. You get accusations of pro-United agendas everywhere from the MEN to the BBC to Sky to FIFA to the referees. You get every signing, or non signing, looked at in regards to how it will be perceived by Man United fans.

I can't blame you I suppose. For twenty years in Manchester the majority of kids are United. Most of them are fucking wankers brought up on gloating about a team they only have a passing interest in. It can't have been easy being a blue in a school full of these shallow tossbags.

But can't you hold your heads up and be proper champions? All they are now are an equal footing rival, like Chelsea. Nothing more, nothing less. Stop comparing everything we do with them because the days of City fans needing to do that are gone. They have no Sheikh, they have a Yank parasite. They have no Silva, they have an ageing liar. They have a silent stadium full of tools and are supported around the world by idiots.

We are fucking City. We are fucking champions. It's time some of you young blues got your heads up and acted like it. Stop looking over your shoulders all the time. Stop fretting and feeling insecure about stuff that really doesn't matter.

Whilst I broadly share your sentiments on this, I am slightly more towards the centre, so to speak.

Whilst I agree that some of the paranoia is beyond parody there is no doubt that the media favour united, albeit unconsciously a lot of the time.

This is mainly a function of them being at the top table for so long, rather than anything more especially sinister. A particular case in point is their manager. He is allowed to get away with far more than any other manager in the game. He is allowed to misrepresent ("united teams always try and win"); be petulant and downright rude (refusing to speak to the BBC); hypocritical ("I wouldn't sell them a virus"); make outlandish and wholly incorrect predictions ("not in my lifetime"); insult other clubs in a disrespectful way ("a small club with a small mentality") ; and bring destruction down upon his own club (the Coolmore fiasco).

He can do all these things without fear of the widespread ridicule and derision from the media that would be visited upon any other manager for the same things - Benitez's 'list' being a case in point.

He manages this through a combination of his longevity and success in the job - which granted should give him a degree of leeway; his ability to bully and impose his will upon the press - often resulting in many journalists being banned from the club; and a desire for the media to retain a degree of favour and influence within the one of the most powerful sporting brands on the planet.

Against that backdrop it is understandable that City fans feel there is an agenda of sorts. To what degree depends on each individual's view of how the world works I guess, but it is unreasonable of you to expect fans not to resent the way their local rivals (and by implication their own club) are perceived (and treated) , being dictated by a bully.

Spot on!!!!!!!!!

Spot on x 2!!!!!!!



Finally someone with the patience to speak