The dark side

Prestwich_Blue said:
A goalie can be unbeatable one game yet play like his feet are nailed to the floor next game and no one raises an eyebrow. "He's a bit inconsistent" or "he was a bit too pumped up" say the media. And we swallow it.
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Missed a trick there.. you could have gone for "And we Grobble it up." hahaha
 
Tubes26 said:
I've been trying to find out about this too. What really shocked me was that the author of the football is fixed blog is the person who was behind compiling both dossiers... according to posts on here... search here for 'dossier' 'bullivant' 'Kelso' and there's quite a few posts telling the story..

As for the shenanigans.. some of this probably applies http://bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?id=217
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Yeah, that's certainly got me interested in the subject!

I can understand why a ref or lower paid player would match fix, but I do struggle to work out why a highly paid player would do so, that said I really don't know what sort of sums would be involved for them.

Then again, I can understand why a club would undertake a sustained period of match fixing to simply win something, rather than to actually win a bet.

It's been said our match against Bayern was fixed - in what way, does anyone know? Maybe @Prestwich_Blue could shed a bit of light on it?
 
The Northern Baptist said:
Yeah, that's certainly got me interested in the subject!

I can understand why a ref or lower paid player would match fix, but I do struggle to work out why a highly paid player would do so, that said I really don't know what sort of sums would be involved for them.

Then again, I can understand why a club would undertake a sustained period of match fixing to simply win something, rather than to actually win a bet.

It's been said our match against Bayern was fixed - in what way, does anyone know? Maybe @Prestwich_Blue could shed a bit of light on it?
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I've no idea how it was fixed. But if you think about it, it's not quite a dead rubber and we put out a pretty weak team. I was working down in Bristol and usually watched at a Sports Bar round the corner from work. But when I saw the team I thought we'd get tonked, so just went back to the hotel. Turning on the radio, I heard we were 2-0 down inside 20 minutes so was pleased with my decision. Then we come back into it and, at 3-2, need to score one more goal to win the group. Yet our manager brings on Rodwell rather than Aguero and claims he wasn't aware of the situation, despite having been in exactly the same situation in a previous CL campaign.

So you could take the view that we were allowed to win but not by enough to upset the apple-cart. And anyone who lumped on City to win after 20 minutes, would be looking at a very tidy return. And my understanding is that Interpol did investigate this game as they were tipped off about match-fixing but didn't find the evidence they needed as a lot of it would have been on unregulated Far Eastern betting markets who aren't desperately keen to talk to people like Interpol or UEFA.
 
The Northern Baptist said:
Yeah, that's certainly got me interested in the subject!

I can understand why a ref or lower paid player would match fix, but I do struggle to work out why a highly paid player would do so, that said I really don't know what sort of sums would be involved for them.

Then again, I can understand why a club would undertake a sustained period of match fixing to simply win something, rather than to actually win a bet.

It's been said our match against Bayern was fixed - in what way, does anyone know? Maybe @Prestwich_Blue could shed a bit of light on it?
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Apologies for some reason your tags didn't show on my alerts so I missed your posts.

I think some of the guys have laid out a lot of what was going on then. It's interesting to look at that particular season, then ask "where are they now?"

How many of these refs have been bumped out or moved on?

As for a certain keeper, let's say it's a little odd that he was investing in businesses with a corrupt manager of the english national team and the well known striker for a big rival. These people may also be caught up in a tax evasion scheme if you believe certain rumblings.

Ask yourself this. If a new young player called Jimmy Grimble rolled up and scored vs a top team on super sunday, would his value go up?

And if it did, and he was represented by a major agency, would the value of their business increase? Corruption and fixing has far bigger ramifications than just betting. Think ratings. Think stocks.

If you are unsure of the corrupt nature of the sport, just take a look at good ole boys Allardyce & Pulis, and see how the last few months have fared for them.
 
The Northern Baptist said:
Yeah, that's certainly got me interested in the subject!

I can understand why a ref or lower paid player would match fix, but I do struggle to work out why a highly paid player would do so, that said I really don't know what sort of sums would be involved for them.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...o-betting-habits-research-finds-a6971936.html

One answer as to why a highly paid player would match fix is down to gambling. Many players have big gambling habits and the more they earn the more they gamble. It's an endemic problem in football, where's there's a macho culture, players have time and money on their hands and there are people who know and actively exploit that. Michael Owen was one of those people as this story shows:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-382569/Owen-Rooney-war-pound-700-000-debt.html

There's a quote from Peg in that article (from 2006) that he believed none of his players at that time had a problem when one of those players allegedly had to remortgage his house twice to pay off gambling debts and was involved in other unsavoury incidents to raise money.

Many years ago I knew of one former top class goalkeeper who owed something like one year's wages to one casino alone. God knows how many others he also owed money to. Goalkeeper is a particularly sensitive position of course as you can easily let in a soft shot or spill a cross. You'll get criticised for it but as long as you don't make it too regular or obvious then it'll get forgotten about or, at worst, you'll be described as "erratic" or "inconsistent" and get replaced by someone just as inconsistent.
 
"le secret des grandes fortunes sans cause apparente est un crime oublié, parce qu’il a été proprement fait."
honoré de balzac (pronounced "ball-sack", heehee) 1834.

translates as
"the secret of a great fortune made without apparent cause is soon forgotten, if the crime is committed in a respectable way."

mario puzo simplified the quote to "behind every great fortune is a crime" in his book "the godfather".
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I've no idea how it was fixed. But if you think about it, it's not quite a dead rubber and we put out a pretty weak team. I was working down in Bristol and usually watched at a Sports Bar round the corner from work. But when I saw the team I thought we'd get tonked, so just went back to the hotel. Turning on the radio, I heard we were 2-0 down inside 20 minutes so was pleased with my decision. Then we come back into it and, at 3-2, need to score one more goal to win the group. Yet our manager brings on Rodwell rather than Aguero and claims he wasn't aware of the situation, despite having been in exactly the same situation in a previous CL campaign.
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I remember this! Hahahaha I'd forgotten about it.. Definitely a lie by Pellegrini to say he thought the rules were different.

For some reason I thought the interpol match was the OTHER 3-2 game you had with them...was it the next season? or maybe the one before. In that one, Bayern had already won the group I think but there were 3 other teams all on the same points? You had to win to go through, but were losing against ten men... Then Jerome Boateng either gives a pen away or backpasses short, and you won late.

If you take the games as a pair you could easily say its quid pro quo...

Obviously you could also ask how long Guardiola knew he would be going to City? He surely wouldn't have been unhappy to win the group with his current team AND have his next team progress and improve their co-efficient... Which is also why Pellegrini may have been up for finishing second, as he realy wanted the rule change to put Champions in the top seeds... Someone influential from UEFA could have just said to him "all i can say is that if you win the group it might undermine your case for the rule change *nudge wink*..." So Pellegrini avoids winning the group and gets his rule change... He doesn't mind looking like an idiot manager because someone has already promised him a high paying job in China if he goes along.

Just ideas there, but it definitely didn't seem right...
 
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