The dark side

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2006/jul/30/football.features1

Paradiso to inferno (part two) (from 2006)
Jason Burke

"The following conversations, both between Moggi and Italy's most famous sports commentator Fabio Baldas, show how he worked. Baldas is Italy's Des Lynam, reviewing the weekend's games in his weekly programme. Moggi, with his canny understanding of the media, had worked out that the best way to conceal the bias that referees were repeatedly showing Juventus was by exploiting his contacts in the mass media. His logic was that though 50,000 might see the game live, millions had their opinions formed by men such as Baldas. According to investigators, Baldas and Moggi spoke before nearly every programme to discuss what was going to be said and shown, who was going to be given the Roman thumbs up and who got the thumbs down."


"What Baldas did receive in return was access to Juventus and a good source in Moggi - 'Moggi was always really useful, really helpful, always finding stuff out if you asked and calling you back,' said one sports journalist I spoke to in Rome. Also, of course, Moggi had friends everywhere, in the senior ranks of the football federation, in clubs, among players. Moggi's sports agency, GEA, looked after 200 players."


"So why did the referees, who in Italy are relatively well paid professionals, and Pairetto (head of italian ref selection) do what they did?


'Because they had no real choice, because they were weak, because they were ambitious, because they were caught up in a corrupt system,' says one sports expert who did not want to be named.



'If they didn't favour Juventus they wouldn't get picked to referee big games. If they displeased Moggi, they might lose their jobs,' said biographer Travaglio.



It is true that one referee was locked in his changing room and threatened by Moggi, but that's relatively mild by local standards. It's not as if he woke up with a horse's head on his doorstep. Like Pairetto, who knew that Moggi was powerful enough to have him fired, the only possibility is that referees very much wanted to be Moggi's friend. And very much did not want to be his enemy."



That's just a couple of paragraphs..the whole thing is interesting...I think one problem with people who don't think there is corruption is that they think it's implausible - but read the conversations. It's been done, it's not implausible at all...

What happened to refs who didn't favour united..? Why do Sky show some incidents on a loop on SSN and ignore other equivalent ones...? Why are some referees protected by the pundits by not showing and analysing their incidents, when others have their errors highlighted...?

You've seen in your games.. Little talk of the Luiz decision, endless shots of Aguero on Luiz.. they also cut away from Taylor to hide his indecision.. they also avoided doing any real punditry by having that stupid interview with Luiz and Costa, which just wasted time because it was being translated.. Rojo x 2 + Ibra no red cards, Ibra one justified by showing Brunt's shoulder charge on Rashford, as though the two were the same... Get real lol

 
The game is totally corrupt from top to bottom. As is big business. Where there's money there's corruption. Fact of life.
 
I love reading posts by PB on threads like this.

The Chelsea game has really had an impact on me. I sat watching it thinking that finally - the general public would be able to see the truth. By Monday the media had managed to convince everyone that we were the guilty party because of Aguero's stupidity. Even Guardiola snapped with his mock applauding of Taylor. I've known that BT and SKY have been up to no good for a long time but never thought about the editing of their outputs until I read this thread.

Scudamore slipped up big time when he said the Premier League brand is weakened with an underperforming United in it.
Leicester's rise from relegation certainties and most unfit team in the league to Champions and fittest has been largely ignored.
As has Chelsea's reverse journey.
Halsey's whistle blowing that he's been told to change reports has been swept under the carpet.
Roy "super agent" Hodgson is kept on for 4 miserable years as England manager, being told before the World Cup that it didn't matter how the team performed.
Rooney being told publicly that if he was fit he was in regardless of form.
A known red being publicly questioned refereeing Liverpool v United. The silence from the FA and Premier League was deafening but Mourinho gets fined for mentioning him perhaps being under pressure.
Martin Tyler's open admission and subsequent astonishing commentary when Liverpool decided they needed to win the league for the 96 after not bothering for 24 years previously that he'd like them to win it.
The countless, endless procession of mind boggling decisions every single week that go unquestioned.
The lack of transparency when it comes to reviewing incidents and retrospective actions.

It's not started to get me intrigued - I'm well down that road - but as others have said on here, it's a habit and a passion that they've made it almost impossible to break. I'd dearly love to be able to sit with the Hull City fans who suggest I'm loopy for suggesting such corruption one day and say "I told you so."
 
the words that ring in my ears are We cant sell the tv rights without a strong united and just recent champions league not got same feel without them lot it;s fixed
 
I can't make head nor tail of the 'football is fixed' website. I've registered and verified my account but still can't navigate the site. They hint at loads on twitter but that's limited to suggestion as well.

What's the stuff regarding Joe Hart all about?
 
The Chelsea game has really had an impact on me. I sat watching it thinking that finally - the general public would be able to see the truth. By Monday the media had managed to convince everyone that we were the guilty party because of Aguero's stupidity. Even Guardiola snapped with his mock applauding of Taylor. I've known that BT and SKY have been up to no good for a long time but never thought about the editing of their outputs until I read this thread.

During South Korea's run in the 2002 world cup, Korean TV was showing prolonged shots of the crowd and Hiddink rather than the protests of the Korean opposition who knew they were being cheated by the ref...

And also during calciopoli it was agreed with the pundits before the show which incidents would be shown and which refs would be made to look good/bad.

Those are obvious ones..but what about incidents where the TV broadcast suddenly shuts down or shows adverts or something, and a goal is suspiciously missed..? Maybe it's conspiracy territory but i think its interesting too.. ITV switched to adverts "accidentally" and missed the winning goal in a FA cup final and Englands first goal in the World Cup against USA, I think? Always found it weird myself.. Why not intentionally stop anyone knowing whats going on so you have a 100% gambling advantage for a couple of minutes?

I was freaked out during the noth london derby last season on BT. In injury time the broadcast just cut out, and a screen said "sorry, we'll be right back..." stayed like that for a bit and then it came back on. There was no sound, and no clock... Then the sound eventually came back but the clock didn't.. I was suspicious because I already wondered about the ITV cut outs... It didn't seem right to me.

Twitter went crazy obviously... but the interesting thing is I rang my friend who was at the game, and what was the event that everyone at home missed..? Ramsey I think going one on one with the keeper out of nowhere and just missing a certain goal.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...age-time-and-sends-twitter-wild-a6914171.html

Fortunately for viewers, none of the game’s key moments were missed, but that did not stop them from making light of the matter on social media.

haha
 
I can't make head nor tail of the 'football is fixed' website. I've registered and verified my account but still can't navigate the site. They hint at loads on twitter but that's limited to suggestion as well.

What's the stuff regarding Joe Hart all about?

I don't think you need to register to see the site...?

You should be able to see everything on there...problem is all the old articles that people are talking about have been deleted. The Joe Hart one was from 2013.. It's basically outlined here though: http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/joe-hart.288911/page-223
 
During South Korea's run in the 2002 world cup, Korean TV was showing prolonged shots of the crowd and Hiddink rather than the protests of the Korean opposition who knew they were being cheated by the ref...

And also during calciopoli it was agreed with the pundits before the show which incidents would be shown and which refs would be made to look good/bad.

Those are obvious ones..but what about incidents where the TV broadcast suddenly shuts down or shows adverts or something, and a goal is suspiciously missed..? Maybe it's conspiracy territory but i think its interesting too.. ITV switched to adverts "accidentally" and missed the winning goal in a FA cup final and Englands first goal in the World Cup against USA, I think? Always found it weird myself.. Why not intentionally stop anyone knowing whats going on so you have a 100% gambling advantage for a couple of minutes?

I was freaked out during the noth london derby last season on BT. In injury time the broadcast just cut out, and a screen said "sorry, we'll be right back..." stayed like that for a bit and then it came back on. There was no sound, and no clock... Then the sound eventually came back but the clock didn't.. I was suspicious because I already wondered about the ITV cut outs... It didn't seem right to me.

Twitter went crazy obviously... but the interesting thing is I rang my friend who was at the game, and what was the event that everyone at home missed..? Ramsey I think going one on one with the keeper out of nowhere and just missing a certain goal.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...age-time-and-sends-twitter-wild-a6914171.html



haha

I had a sort of similar thing like this a few weeks ago with the Chelsea game. I was sat in L3 and when the fight broke out at the end I rang my dad who was at home watching it on Sky because I couldn't tell what was going on. He didn't know what I was talking about and said that nothing was going on, city had the ball?!

I always thought Sky was 100% live but it clearly isn't, the delay was quite frightening actually because once he said they had started fighting the players were leaving the pitch. I reckon it must of been at least going on a minute out.

That surely gives the bookies a massive advantage over the people betting in play and not at the game which is probably 95% of bets.
 
Interesting thread just read it all.

Some issues I have with the football is bent.

Referees have always made shit decisions even when they were potless.
Teams have always come back from 3 down. City at spurs in the cup was that bent.
If corruption was endemic there would be whistleblowers. So unless they are all bent everyone, I am sure a whistleblower would have surfaced.

Whilst saying all that there is a bias towards rags and all top clubs. A bias is different from inherent corruption. A rogue bent bastard goalie in hoc to the mafia is different than a plague of refs fixing every match
 

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