The Derby Post Match Thread

FanchesterCity said:
blueincy said:
FanchesterCity said:
All good players are wanted by other clubs, but being wanted by other clubs doesn't make you a good player.

So why put jo!!!
Boateng was a good player and proves it time again..

So your saying Mangala is crap even though he isnt played enough..
Nasty was also crap then?
Are you a Shill?

I put Jo as an example of a player who was wanted by other clubs and wasn't very good. For every GOOD player wanted by other clubs, there's one who turns out not to be good too.
My point remains, being wanted by other clubs doesn't automatically mean you must be good!!! That doesn't mean all players wanted by other clubs are bad!

I'm saying that are circa 40m quid, you shouldn't be buying a player where you have to wait and see if he might turn out to be very good. 40m really should be suggesting he already is. If you're spending (say) 15m on a young 'prospect' then yes, you can argue they need time to develop and we'll see how they pan out.
40m's just too much to be paying for a player where we are either waiting to see if he'll be good, or even in your words, not being played enough. Either way it's a rank bad buy. 40m benchwarmers aren't going to do us much good.
 
Mike N said:
richards30 said:
The players look like they are coasting to the end of the season! They are also either knackered or just too unfit, i can't work out which one to be honest.

Have you seen Nasri's gut lately?

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Why are City so soft? What is all the helping the oppo get up after a foul? Hart patting Rooney on the back? FFS they can do all the hand shake shite when the game is over. Soft arses.
 
FanchesterCity said:
blueincy said:
FanchesterCity said:
All good players are wanted by other clubs, but being wanted by other clubs doesn't make you a good player.

So why put jo!!!
Boateng was a good player and proves it time again..

So your saying Mangala is crap even though he isnt played enough..
Nasty was also crap then?
Are you a Shill?

I put Jo as an example of a player who was wanted by other clubs and wasn't very good. For every GOOD player wanted by other clubs, there's one who turns out not to be good too.
My point remains, being wanted by other clubs doesn't automatically mean you must be good!!! That doesn't mean all players wanted by other clubs are bad!




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DenisLawBackHeel74 said:
@BluePhil8 said:
I don’t even know where to start.

If you analyse this season you can split it in to three very clear segments.

1. August through to November.
This period acted as a nice prelude to the rest of the season: losing to Arsenal in the Community Shield, losing at home to Stoke in the League, going out of the Capital One Cup at home to Newcastle and nearly capitulating completely in Europe by failing to record a single win in our opening four group games.

2. November through to December.
Without doubt the pinnacle of our season. We won every game during these two months except for two: a draw against Burnley in the League and a loss to CSKA in Europe. Somehow we managed to claw back the gap against Chelsea and scrape through our group in Europe.

3. January to now.
Our record: Played 17 Won 6 Draw 3 Lost 8
This includes a humiliating FA Cup exit to Middlesbrough at home and two convincing defeats against Barcelona.

It just speaks for itself. This period now is the worst it has been since the takeover in 2008. I could accept Hughes drawing 8 in a row, we still had Kelvin Etuhu and a whole host of average players. This is unacceptable in the strongest possible way.

I just want to break down our transfer spending since Txiki Begiristain arrived at the club in October 2012.

Fernandinho £30,000,000
Sagna Free
Fernando £12,000,000
Demichellis £2,500,000
Negredo £20,000,000
Jovetic £22,000,000
Navas £15,000,000
Caballero £6,000,000
Lampard Free
Zuculini £3,000,000
Mangala £32,000,000
Bony £28,000,000

Total expenditure £170,500,000 in three years, on twelve players. From the above players only three were in the first eleven today: Fernandinho, Navas and Demichellis, the rest were signed by Garry Cook and Mancini. Any City fan who has the cheek to claim Financial Fair Play has hampered us is deluding themselves. Whilst we spend the night away on average squad players, we are releasing players for free in most cases.

Carlos Tevez £10,000,000
K.Toure Free
Pantillimon Free
Lescott Free
Barry £2,000,000
Nastasic £6,000,000
Richards Free
Guidetti Free

The club is being ran in a shambolic way by the Director of Football and our manager. This regression started soon after Garry Cook left. Can we entrust £150,000,000 to rebuild this team with these two baboons? All of the evidence suggests we would be insane to do so. The funny thing is, some City fans on Bluemoon will actually support Pellegrini through this and anyone that wants him sacked will be sneered at by a select few. We’ve got executives coming out saying we will always play attractive football win lose or draw, don’t make me laugh, the football is turgid, unattractive and lacks any intensity.

Today, Burnley, Palace, Stoke, Newcastle, Middlesbrough. I’ve actually been ashamed of the teams performances in all of these games. The players out there, every last one of them except Aguero and Silva have displayed this season that they don’t have the heart to play for this club. It’s going to be a tough summer but Yaya, Kolarov, Dzeko, Jovetic and Lampard will all have to leave. If it was fiscally possible I would also be binning Fernando and Sagna. Kompany and Zabaleta I will give the benefit of the doubt but only because they have been loyal servants to us and I seriously blame Pellegrini for our shambolic defending. Lopez, Pozo, Denayer will all have to play squad parts next season if we run out of money. They might not be good enough but we’ll never blood them if they are out on loan every year. I’d rather play a shit academy player than a shit £12,000,000 player like Fernando.

Another thing that has beat me down is the absolute apathy emanating from the club. No urgency from the board to take action, backing the teams performances whilst we slide down the table, Pellegrini saying we are playing well when we’ve won 6 in 17, the fans not caring when we get leathered in Europe. Everything about the club just radiates “who gives a shit?” This is personified by the absolute wankers who ring 5Live, TalkSPORT and GMR and say “well at least we don’t have to play Barnet in League 2 anymore, I was there you know!!!”

I’m losing track here but I am absolutely fuming at our slide from the best team in England, with a serious opportunity to begin a dynasty stretching out for years, to being out fought by wank players like Young, Fellaini, Blind, Smalling and Jones. Every single person at the club should be ashamed of themselves tonight and the fans should demand better by demanding this pudding of a manager is sacked before he takes us right out of the top 4 with his 442 shit.

Thanks for the memories but this side and management structure must be dissembled. Khaldoon, do the business and get rid of the DoF and the manager and move heaven and earth to install Ancelotti and give him full control.

Well said Phil.

It won't change a thing though.

Thanks Phil, you have saved me at least an hour typing exactly all of the above.

I would only add the following :

The defence is all over the place for two reasons.
1. The Charming Old man changes the back 4 every week !
2. The back 4 play with no protection whatsoever. Mancini played with Barry and De Jong protecting the back line. Again the Charming old man picks the team and the formation and HE chooses to play 442 with Yaya in the middle of the midfield 4. That role has to be the engine room box to box type of player for 442 to be a success. I hate to say it but a Bryan Robson or Roy Keane / Souness type of player. Yaya is not this type of player.

Morale of the squad :

Yaya made it clear in the summer he wanted to leave. The birthday cake etc. I think we forced him to stay. So we play a full season with a player who has shown zero desire apart from his Africa cup jolly.

Poor management again

Dzeko and Kolorov are both out of favour and are therefore unhappy. We then sign Bony and drop Jovetic out of the champions League squad, so Jovetic will be switched off,

Poor management yet again !

The old charming man is either a puppet or clueless. I can't decide which !

Either way I think the old man will be fired at the end of the season and hopefully we recruit somebody who can actually manage.

Apart from De Jong, Barry, Tevez, Johnson, Richards and Lescott the rest of the original title squad are still here and we are clinging on to 4th ? All of the replacements have been downgrades in my opinion.

Once again Poor management , from the two Barca undercover spies through to The Charming old man.

Oh well, we can read our nice renewal book we got in the post and gaze at the multi coloured stadium plan whilst we work out where we can afford to sit next season.
 
Kenny Clements Perm said:
Andouble said:
At this point I just hope Aguero doesn't leave us in the summer.

I wouldn't be that arsed. He made Jones look good today.

Manuel's lost the dressing room. The most upsetting part of today was how hard they tried for their manager and fans and how disinterested we were in comparison.

I'm totally numb

If they can down tools in an F.A. cup final, they can do it anywhere.
 
Chippy_boy said:
NiceN Sleazy said:
Goater666 said:
Fucking shite, shite and shite,

Think you missed out 1 shite there.

Roll on next season, most of us have seen this coming since October. You really have to wonder why
December's performances went unnoticed by those in charge.

Would that be the 10 consecutive wins? Or am I misunderstanding?

Playing with only 1 up front, we played our best and most entertainingfootball, I think from mid November till early Jan.
I think other teams had the fear of playing us then, just my opinion ofcourse.
 
Kenny Clements Perm said:
Andouble said:
At this point I just hope Aguero doesn't leave us in the summer.

I wouldn't be that arsed. He made Jones look good today.

Manuel's lost the dressing room. The most upsetting part of today was how hard they tried for their manager and fans and how disinterested we were in comparison.

I'm totally numb


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blueincy said:
FanchesterCity said:
blueincy said:
So why put jo!!!
Boateng was a good player and proves it time again..

So your saying Mangala is crap even though he isnt played enough..
Nasty was also crap then?
Are you a Shill?

I put Jo as an example of a player who was wanted by other clubs and wasn't very good. For every GOOD player wanted by other clubs, there's one who turns out not to be good too.
My point remains, being wanted by other clubs doesn't automatically mean you must be good!!! That doesn't mean all players wanted by other clubs are bad!

But he was saying Mangala was wanted by other clubs so why put Jo???

Are you a fucking shill..

I'll spell it out for you once again:

He said Mangala was wanted by other clubs.
I said that being wanted by other clubs doesn't necessarily make you good player.
I then used Jo as an illustration of such... he was wanted by plenty of clubs while he was scoring in Russia, but he really wasn't very good at all.
That does NOT mean all players wanted by other clubs are crap, it just means it's no guarantee of quality either way.

Surely that's a pretty easy concept to grasp, despite the 3rd time of having to explain it.
 

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