The Derby Post Match Thread

[blueincy]

So why put jo!!!
Boateng was a good player and proves it time again..

So your saying Mangala is crap even though he isnt played enough..
Nasty was also crap then?
Are you a Shill?

I put Jo as an example of a player who was wanted by other clubs and wasn't very good. For every GOOD player wanted by other clubs, there's one who turns out not to be good too.
My point remains, being wanted by other clubs doesn't automatically mean you must be good!!! That doesn't mean all players wanted by other clubs are bad!

So it's behind the scenes that wants sorting out and brought to the attention of our owner not the player himself..

Got you!! Why didn't you say that then..

I'm saying that are circa 40m quid, you shouldn't be buying a player where you have to wait and see if he might turn out to be very good. 40m really should be suggesting he already is. If you're spending (say) 15m on a young 'prospect' then yes, you can argue they need time to develop and we'll see how they pan out.
40m's just too much to be paying for a player where we are either waiting to see if he'll be good, or even in your words, not being played enough. Either way it's a rank bad buy. 40m benchwarmers aren't going to do us much good.

So it's behind the scenes that wants sorting out and brought to the attention of our owner not the player himself..

Got you!! Why didn't you say that then..

 

[East Level 2]

I think at this moment we are all being a little short sighted, there is a bigger picture, surely there has to be a bigger picture, just has to be a bigger picture, I’m convinced there is a bigger picture, can’t you see the bigger picture? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're trying to convince the missus you need a bigger telly?

 

[Kenny Clements Perm]

At this point I just hope Aguero doesn't leave us in the summer.

I wouldn't be that arsed. He made Jones look good today.

Manuel's lost the dressing room. The most upsetting part of today was how hard they tried for their manager and fans and how disinterested we were in comparison.

I'm totally numb

If they can down tools in an F.A. cup final, they can do it anywhere.

At least our run-in looks easy.

 

[bluebaja]

They hung the manager out to dry throughout that game.

Laughable those who demanded a five in midfield was the way to go.

We played a four winning two titles.

It's all about desire and this team has nothing close to it.

Which in a derby game, is the most unforgivable of all.

City have a stench of finality around this whole project on the pitch.

Not a top player out there today, watching that, who would think why not City?

As for Toure, I have no words.

That reads almost like a piece of modern prose. Beautiful.

 

[birchwoodgingerste]

our recent form reads
L
L
D
O
W
N
H
I
L
L

the gallows humour is much appreciated here

I think to say we are baffled is an understatement from winning the league playing fast flowing attacking football to kicking it long to aguero with zero effort and commitment from numerous players i hate saying sack the manager but what else is left?

 

[blueabdi]

Some are suggesting that during the game the 'players weren't up for it' or that there was a 'lack of desire' (relative to United players). Or even that the players 'left Pellgrini out for the wolves'.

I disagree, I think collectively and individually the players were up for it today - evidenced by the first 15 minutes. They wanted it.

The problem came when United got a grasp in the game around the 15 minute mark and we stopped attacking - it becomes irrelevant how much we 'wanted it' on the day.

Once we are required to work as a defensive unit, it is clear that we are not prepared properly. The players individually are poorly conditioned, they can't match United if they wanted to. (So many jogging back).

We so clearly don't train hard enough. We can't defend set pieces, or attack with them. We can't play offside. The fullbacks and wingers constantly lose their men. Midfielders don't know who to pick up. We press poorly so sporadically.

We rarely overwhelm certain key areas of the pitch and play triangles in these spaces. (which is certainly the only thing we train?)

The players were arsed today. But generally speaking, they havn't been arsed enough since last May - in their training and their tactical preparation.

The lack of conditioning and training is frightening - I just can't imagine Toure, Nasri, Dzeko et. al staying behind for an extra 30 minutes heading practice.

I bet training is far to cushy, and played at snails place. Would be shocked if set plays were trained with any sort of dedication or intensity.

In short: The players wanted it, their just hopelessly prepared/conditioned and trained: Ultimately this comes down to the manager and the extent to which the players buy into the manager's demands. From a purely professional point of view its poor that some of them are in such bad shape, but when we see Mangala and Kompany playing people onside for fun, thats the managers fault in my opinion.

Absolutely to the point I like ur post.

 

[VOOMER]

I don’t even know where to start.

If you analyse this season you can split it in to three very clear segments.

1. August through to November.
This period acted as a nice prelude to the rest of the season: losing to Arsenal in the Community Shield, losing at home to Stoke in the League, going out of the Capital One Cup at home to Newcastle and nearly capitulating completely in Europe by failing to record a single win in our opening four group games.

2. November through to December.
Without doubt the pinnacle of our season. We won every game during these two months except for two: a draw against Burnley in the League and a loss to CSKA in Europe. Somehow we managed to claw back the gap against Chelsea and scrape through our group in Europe.

3. January to now.
Our record: Played 17 Won 6 Draw 3 Lost 8
This includes a humiliating FA Cup exit to Middlesbrough at home and two convincing defeats against Barcelona.

It just speaks for itself. This period now is the worst it has been since the takeover in 2008. I could accept Hughes drawing 8 in a row, we still had Kelvin Etuhu and a whole host of average players. This is unacceptable in the strongest possible way.

I just want to break down our transfer spending since Txiki Begiristain arrived at the club in October 2012.

Fernandinho £30,000,000
Sagna Free
Fernando £12,000,000
Demichellis £2,500,000
Negredo £20,000,000
Jovetic £22,000,000
Navas £15,000,000
Caballero £6,000,000
Lampard Free
Zuculini £3,000,000
Mangala £32,000,000
Bony £28,000,000

Total expenditure £170,500,000 in three years, on twelve players. From the above players only three were in the first eleven today: Fernandinho, Navas and Demichellis, the rest were signed by Garry Cook and Mancini. Any City fan who has the cheek to claim Financial Fair Play has hampered us is deluding themselves. Whilst we spend the night away on average squad players, we are releasing players for free in most cases.

Carlos Tevez £10,000,000
K.Toure Free
Pantillimon Free
Lescott Free
Barry £2,000,000
Nastasic £6,000,000
Richards Free
Guidetti Free

The club is being ran in a shambolic way by the Director of Football and our manager. This regression started soon after Garry Cook left. Can we entrust £150,000,000 to rebuild this team with these two baboons? All of the evidence suggests we would be insane to do so. The funny thing is, some City fans on Bluemoon will actually support Pellegrini through this and anyone that wants him sacked will be sneered at by a select few. We’ve got executives coming out saying we will always play attractive football win lose or draw, don’t make me laugh, the football is turgid, unattractive and lacks any intensity.

Today, Burnley, Palace, Stoke, Newcastle, Middlesbrough. I’ve actually been ashamed of the teams performances in all of these games. The players out there, every last one of them except Aguero and Silva have displayed this season that they don’t have the heart to play for this club. It’s going to be a tough summer but Yaya, Kolarov, Dzeko, Jovetic and Lampard will all have to leave. If it was fiscally possible I would also be binning Fernando and Sagna. Kompany and Zabaleta I will give the benefit of the doubt but only because they have been loyal servants to us and I seriously blame Pellegrini for our shambolic defending. Lopez, Pozo, Denayer will all have to play squad parts next season if we run out of money. They might not be good enough but we’ll never blood them if they are out on loan every year. I’d rather play a shit academy player than a shit £12,000,000 player like Fernando.

Another thing that has beat me down is the absolute apathy emanating from the club. No urgency from the board to take action, backing the teams performances whilst we slide down the table, Pellegrini saying we are playing well when we’ve won 6 in 17, the fans not caring when we get leathered in Europe. Everything about the club just radiates “who gives a shit?” This is personified by the absolute wankers who ring 5Live, TalkSPORT and GMR and say “well at least we don’t have to play Barnet in League 2 anymore, I was there you know!!!”

I’m losing track here but I am absolutely fuming at our slide from the best team in England, with a serious opportunity to begin a dynasty stretching out for years, to being out fought by wank players like Young, Fellaini, Blind, Smalling and Jones. Every single person at the club should be ashamed of themselves tonight and the fans should demand better by demanding this pudding of a manager is sacked before he takes us right out of the top 4 with his 442 shit.

Thanks for the memories but this side and management structure must be dissembled. Khaldoon, do the business and get rid of the DoF and the manager and move heaven and earth to install Ancelotti and give him full control.

Well said Phil.

It won't change a thing though.

Thanks Phil, you have saved me at least an hour typing exactly all of the above.

I would only add the following :

The defence is all over the place for two reasons.
1. The Charming Old man changes the back 4 every week !
2. The back 4 play with no protection whatsoever. Mancini played with Barry and De Jong protecting the back line. Again the Charming old man picks the team and the formation and HE chooses to play 442 with Yaya in the middle of the midfield 4. That role has to be the engine room box to box type of player for 442 to be a success. I hate to say it but a Bryan Robson or Roy Keane / Souness type of player. Yaya is not this type of player.

Morale of the squad :

Yaya made it clear in the summer he wanted to leave. The birthday cake etc. I think we forced him to stay. So we play a full season with a player who has shown zero desire apart from his Africa cup jolly.

Poor management again

Dzeko and Kolorov are both out of favour and are therefore unhappy. We then sign Bony and drop Jovetic out of the champions League squad, so Jovetic will be switched off,

Poor management yet again !

The old charming man is either a puppet or clueless. I can't decide which !

Either way I think the old man will be fired at the end of the season and hopefully we recruit somebody who can actually manage.

Apart from De Jong, Barry, Tevez, Johnson, Richards and Lescott the rest of the original title squad are still here and we are clinging on to 4th ? All of the replacements have been downgrades in my opinion.

Once again Poor management , from the two Barca undercover spies through to The Charming old man.

Oh well, we can read our nice renewal book we got in the post and gaze at the multi coloured stadium plan whilst we work out where we can afford to sit next season.

Spot on.

 

[PragueBlue]

They hung the manager out to dry throughout that game.

Laughable those who demanded a five in midfield was the way to go.

We played a four winning two titles.

It's all about desire and this team has nothing close to it.

Which in a derby game, is the most unforgivable of all.

City have a stench of finality around this whole project on the pitch.

Not a top player out there today, watching that, who would think why not City?

As for Toure, I have no words.

We didn't play 5 in midfield though. We might have had 5 midfielders on the pitch but they weren't set up as a 4-5-1.

 

[Paul_Powers_Tash]

The players look like they are coasting to the end of the season! They are also either knackered or just too unfit, i can't work out which one to be honest.

Have you seen Nasri's gut lately?

And the point of your video is? Yes he finally scores a goal but the guy is a disgrace. Complete gutless, selfish prick. The fact that Pellegrini thinks that Nasri in preferences to Milner is the answer when we're up against it at Old Trafford explains more clearly than anything else possibly could, why we are in the position we are in.

 

[Bewar3them00n]

Pellegrini interview will consist of ' I repeat we play well and I repeat we are brilliant. I repeat'

No one is listening to him anymore. Engineer ? Myth

An Engineer of his own downfall! With the open, attack first and worry about defence later attitude, it was only a matter of time that his undoing at Malaga ( injury time co session of 2 goals!! In vital CL QF) returned
Even Turtle Head had a plan, Pellegrini has one etched in stone it's that fucking old and well read.