The dying NASA scientist videos

[BulgarianPride]

What's the first thing you think of when someone claims they've seen a UFO ( flying saucer)? Most people think that everyone who claims such things are crazy, stupid, retarded, drunk, and so on. That's why i said respected people. They are professionals in their fields, and they risk being labeled crazies and their professions are on the line. So why would they claim they've seen UFO( flying saucers) unless they've really seen one?

It's eye witness accounts, by credible people. Some have video evidence that has been examined by professional special effects people, and they've shown they are not fake. Government documents stating that UFOs or flying saucers are real, and have secret rank higher than the H-bomb( at the time the H-bomb was top secret). That documentary brings evidence that most people have not seen.

Its not the uneducated people stating that they've seen UFO's. Its people that put their careers on the line.

Have a look at it, and post your thoughts about it.

You can't put UFO, then flying saucer in brackets, that's misleading. UFO, unidentified flying object. Unidentified, means it could be anything, or nothing.
Same as a government document on unidentified flying objects. Unidentified does not equate alien.

i put it in bracket to indicate the conclusion that was made about the unidentified flying object.

Unidentified does not equate alien.

Sure, read my above post. Not the sentence above, but the post before yours.

 

[peacefrog]

You can't put UFO, then flying saucer in brackets, that's misleading. UFO, unidentified flying object. Unidentified, means it could be anything, or nothing.
Same as a government document on unidentified flying objects. Unidentified does not equate alien.

i put it in bracket to indicate the conclusion that was made about the unidentified flying object.

Unidentified does not equate alien.

Sure, read my above post. Not the sentence above, but the post before yours.

I have. Not until after I'd already posted mine though. I wish I had read it before, it would have saved me the trouble.

 

[Damocles]

Will do, but your post above is full of suppositions, 'common sense' bias and fallacies.

The risk of somebody's respect has nothing to do with the validness of their viewpoint either. Also, educated people aren't always entirely sane people. In addition to this, how many of these people have considered alternative explanations, in particularly, hallucinogenic effects, tricks of the light and plain lying?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

Most of the claims that are put in the documentary are only of those that have no definite answer. Some of answers proposed are clearly jokes and insults ( answers not based on the evidence provided) . That doesn't mean all the UFO sightings are indeed of aliens. Most in fact are the alternative explanations. But some remain unsolved. The documentary resolves around the unsolved cases.

I am not a true believer of aliens coming to earth, but the quick dismissal of proposed evidence seems unscientific to me. Even if it turns out to be natural phenomena, it is still worth exploring.

-- Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:54 pm --

Only about 5% of all the UFO sightings are believe to be flying saucers. Small percentage...

That's remarkably copious amounts of bullshit. How exactly are you working out this 5%?

Also, I haven't dismissed any evidence, I've been giving a general viewpoint on what I consider to be good quality evidence and bad quality evidence.

 

[Bluefinn]

Clearly bullshit imo. He doesn't give any info anyone could come up with. His style of speech and thought doesnt sound scientific, like I would know if a true scientist would be speaking. Or atleast when one is not. And his claims sound stupid like life on Mars etc. Had he made some more reasonable claims I would be more inclined to believe. But, truth is out there. :)

 

[BulgarianPride]

Most of the claims that are put in the documentary are only of those that have no definite answer. Some of answers proposed are clearly jokes and insults ( answers not based on the evidence provided) . That doesn't mean all the UFO sightings are indeed of aliens. Most in fact are the alternative explanations. But some remain unsolved. The documentary resolves around the unsolved cases.



I am not a true believer of aliens coming to earth, but the quick dismissal of proposed evidence seems unscientific to me. Even if it turns out to be natural phenomena, it is still worth exploring.

-- Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:54 pm --

Only about 5% of all the UFO sightings are believe to be flying saucers. Small percentage...

That's remarkably copious amounts of bullshit. How exactly are you working out this 5%?

Also, I haven't dismissed any evidence, I've been giving a general viewpoint on what I consider to be good quality evidence and bad quality evidence.

It's reported in the documentary. Just watch it for FFS. I am not saying its entirely true, but they do make quite a good claim. How did they work out that percentage? I don't know, but they've been researching the topic for over 15 years. I would think they keep track of how many sightings were total bullshit. I don't see why you are so aggressive with this topic. I haven't made up any bullshit. Nor have i made any personal attacks.

I didn't say you've dismissed evidence. The general population and others do.

 

[ElanJo]

When speaking of eyewitness evidence of course the crediblity of the witness is important. The testimony of a 50 year pilot is going to be more credible than most on the subject of UFOs.
Eyewitness evidence is important, we use it in court cases, but of course it's not enough on its own. That's why I am intrgued by the UFO incidents by pilots that coincide with radar readings. More evidence is needed but it's a fascinating topic.

As for the claim: "oh if there was any truth in X it would be all over the papers" Well, to say such a thing is to be pretty ignorant of history. So much shit that Governments have done have gone unreported, be it through censorship or mere self censorship by the journalists themselves. The latter is as clear as day on the subject of UFOs. On the occasion that UFO stuff does get into the papers or news they feel they need to treat it as a sort of joke. Smacks of insecurity.

The stigma is slowly fading as science progresses but it has to be said that a number of people who are interested in UFOs don't do the subject any favours with their kookiness (tho of course those that are a bit mental are the ones most likely to be shown in the media, such is the way they treat the subject)

 

[buzzer1]

That's remarkably copious amounts of bullshit. How exactly are you working out this 5%?

Also, I haven't dismissed any evidence, I've been giving a general viewpoint on what I consider to be good quality evidence and bad quality evidence.

It's reported in the documentary. Just watch it for FFS. I am not saying its entirely true, but they do make quite a good claim. How did they work out that percentage? I don't know, but they've been researching the topic for over 15 years. I would think they keep track of how many sightings were total bullshit. I don't see why you are so aggressive with this topic. I haven't made up any bullshit. Nor have i made any personal attacks.

I didn't say you've dismissed evidence. The general population and others do.

BP, do not worry, personal attacks and falsyfying what you have actualy said is the norm when discussing a so-called outlandish claim and a thought outside the box, as Elanjo said, it smacks of insecurity and even though you were merely quoting what somebody said on the link, you still find yourself defending yourself, do'nt bother.

 

[bluemanc]

Men in Black 2's on,give it another 20 yrs we may be seeing this stuff for real,motwyw.

 

[peacefrog]

It's reported in the documentary. Just watch it for FFS. I am not saying its entirely true, but they do make quite a good claim. How did they work out that percentage? I don't know, but they've been researching the topic for over 15 years. I would think they keep track of how many sightings were total bullshit. I don't see why you are so aggressive with this topic. I haven't made up any bullshit. Nor have i made any personal attacks.

I didn't say you've dismissed evidence. The general population and others do.

BP, do not worry, personal attacks and falsyfying what you have actualy said is the norm when discussing a so-called outlandish claim and a thought outside the box, as Elanjo said, it smacks of insecurity and even though you were merely quoting what somebody said on the link, you still find yourself defending yourself, do'nt bother.

Oh come on, that's no fair. So if you use someone else's words to back up your argument you shouldn't be questioned on it?

 

[Damocles]

It's reported in the documentary. Just watch it for FFS. I am not saying its entirely true, but they do make quite a good claim. How did they work out that percentage? I don't know, but they've been researching the topic for over 15 years. I would think they keep track of how many sightings were total bullshit. I don't see why you are so aggressive with this topic. I haven't made up any bullshit. Nor have i made any personal attacks.

I didn't say you've dismissed evidence. The general population and others do.

Apologies, I thought you were talking about me.

Anyway, I cannot believe that anybody in their right mind could ever believe a statistic that states what percentage of UFO sightings are supposed to be flying saucers. If the number is greater than 0%, they are talking shit.

You actually have to prove the existence of flying saucers using the scientific method before you can give a statistic like that. You cannot have the statistic without it.

It's like me saying that 25% of earthquakes are actually caused by the Hulk Smash. For this to be true, I would first need to prove that the Hulk existed, prove that he performed the Hulk Smash and prove its causality on earthquakes. Only then could I perform statistical analysis. Otherwise, I'm just blatantly making shit up.

The statistic that they seem to be looking for, is that 95% of UFO sightings are actually later found to be perfectly explainable phenomena. The other 5% remain unexplained. Unexplained is not the same thing as a flying saucer.

Anyway, I'll watch the doc tonight.