That's an interesting proposal on changing the eligibility criteria of the present voting system.urmston said:Scottyboi said:urmston said:The only reason to vote Labour is if you are a public employee dependent on other peoples taxes for your wages, or a net recipient of benefits, and you want other peoples money thrown at you by the government.
Unfortunately we have millions of such people in our country who all vote Labour for this reason.
You really are a disease.
Instead of a petty insult which wouldn't worry anyone, why not answer my point?
We should restrict votes to those who contribute money towards the running of the country. It doesn't make sense to give them to people who simply vote for politicians who promise to give them lots of other peoples money.
Every time Labour gets in all it does is spend loads of taxpayers cash in order to buy votes from public employees and benefit recipients, and every time Labour leaves office the economy is in a mess.
Well, all he's said is that he won't take part unless the Green Party are included. Don't know what his game is, but I'm sure some political correspondent will give us some insight.Len Rum said:Ha Ha Cam running scared of the Election Debates.
The problem the snp have is that they have gone out on a limb to say they will not form an alliance with the toffs, they will with labour but only on condition of another referendum. Add to that it is a straight fight between snp and labour in scotland hence an snp whitewash means labour are weak in terms of a coalition prospect. Impossible to call because ukip racists will certainly dilute the tory toff vote...just hope labour get in for the sake of our nation.cibaman said:I think the SNP will go into the election suggesting that they might form a coalition with Labour. To nullify the "vote SNP get Tories" threat that Labour will make.
But I dont think that they will actually do it. The SNP need to be permanently at loggerheads with the Westminister parties if they are to achieve their main, if not only, goal of another referendum . They could only credibly form a coalition if Labour gave them what they asked for on devolution. But the SNP will never admit that they have got what they want on devolution. Its imperative for them to be able claim that the promises made on the eve of the referendum, the vow, has been broken. So they'll enter into negotiations with Labour but end up sabotaging those negotiations.
Ed to pop up with a last minute winner!de niro said:i can't wait for May now. its like waiting for the cup final and we are playing the rags in the final. we'll destroy the plastic loony left.
I don't often agree with Cam but funnily enough I do on this one. If UKIP deserve a place at the debate, why not the Greens? ( and what about the Nationalists ,but that's another debate).malg said:Well, all he's said is that he won't take part unless the Green Party are included. Don't know what his game is, but I'm sure some political correspondent will give us some insight.Len Rum said:Ha Ha Cam running scared of the Election Debates.
Len Rum said:I don't often agree with Cam but funnily enough I do on this one. If UKIP deserve a place at the debate, why not the Greens? ( and what about the Nationalists ,but that's another debate).malg said:Well, all he's said is that he won't take part unless the Green Party are included. Don't know what his game is, but I'm sure some political correspondent will give us some insight.Len Rum said:Ha Ha Cam running scared of the Election Debates.
But from a political and PR perspective this is a disaster for the Tories and Red Ed has seized the opportunity to accuse Cam of running scared.
Normally the Tories are so much better than Labour at this PR kind of thing.
You're making an assumption regarding Ed that he will claim there is no point in taking part if Cam doesn't. He certainly won't . These debates are crucial to Ed for him to have any chance of winning. If Cam's not there all the better , he can make big political capital in Dave running scared.Chancy Termites said:Len Rum said:I don't often agree with Cam but funnily enough I do on this one. If UKIP deserve a place at the debate, why not the Greens? ( and what about the Nationalists ,but that's another debate).malg said:Well, all he's said is that he won't take part unless the Green Party are included. Don't know what his game is, but I'm sure some political correspondent will give us some insight.
But from a political and PR perspective this is a disaster for the Tories and Red Ed has seized the opportunity to accuse Cam of running scared.
Normally the Tories are so much better than Labour at this PR kind of thing.
I don't believe him. His real reason for avoiding the debates is that he's scared of Nigel Farage but of course he can't admit to that. Miliband is scared of Farage too but he can't admit it either. However, he can claim that there's no point taking part if Cameron doesn't. So in this way Cameron and Miliband can work together to duck out and hide.
I have the utmost respect for Clegg for actually being prepared to debate with Farage last year. You could call it poitical suicide as he and his policies were taken to pieces by Farage but at least he was man enough to die with his boots on, while Cameron and Miliband shat their knickers and hid themselves away.
de niro said:i can't wait for May now. its like waiting for the cup final and we are playing the rags in the final. we'll destroy the plastic loony left.
The perfect fumble said:de niro said:i can't wait for May now. its like waiting for the cup final and we are playing the rags in the final. we'll destroy the plastic loony left.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/61234/general-election-2015-where-do-things-stand-with-6-months-to-go" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/61234 ... nths-to-go</a>
Can the Tories win an overall majority?.....
No. Amid all the uncertainties surrounding this election, there is one safe bet – that the Conservatives will not gain a majority, i.e. win 326 seats. They didn’t manage it last time and that was before the rise of Ukip. Recent opinion polls suggest they will be lucky to win 260 seats.
So, will Cameron form a second coalition with the Lib Dems?....
At the moment, Cameron’s chances don’t look good. Lord Ashcroft’s latest polling in marginal seats suggests Labour are on course to be the biggest party.
de niro said:The perfect fumble said:de niro said:i can't wait for May now. its like waiting for the cup final and we are playing the rags in the final. we'll destroy the plastic loony left.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/61234/general-election-2015-where-do-things-stand-with-6-months-to-go" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/61234 ... nths-to-go</a>
Can the Tories win an overall majority?.....
No. Amid all the uncertainties surrounding this election, there is one safe bet – that the Conservatives will not gain a majority, i.e. win 326 seats. They didn’t manage it last time and that was before the rise of Ukip. Recent opinion polls suggest they will be lucky to win 260 seats.
So, will Cameron form a second coalition with the Lib Dems?....
At the moment, Cameron’s chances don’t look good. Lord Ashcroft’s latest polling in marginal seats suggests Labour are on course to be the biggest party.
not sure there are enough workshy and cadgers in britain for this to happen.
Don't be harsh on yourself mate, you can make it happen.de niro said:The perfect fumble said:de niro said:i can't wait for May now. its like waiting for the cup final and we are playing the rags in the final. we'll destroy the plastic loony left.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/61234/general-election-2015-where-do-things-stand-with-6-months-to-go" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/61234 ... nths-to-go</a>
Can the Tories win an overall majority?.....
No. Amid all the uncertainties surrounding this election, there is one safe bet – that the Conservatives will not gain a majority, i.e. win 326 seats. They didn’t manage it last time and that was before the rise of Ukip. Recent opinion polls suggest they will be lucky to win 260 seats.
So, will Cameron form a second coalition with the Lib Dems?....
At the moment, Cameron’s chances don’t look good. Lord Ashcroft’s latest polling in marginal seats suggests Labour are on course to be the biggest party.
not sure there are enough workshy and cadgers in britain for this to happen.
Len Rum said:You're making an assumption regarding Ed that he will claim there is no point in taking part if Cam doesn't. He certainly won't . These debates are crucial to Ed for him to have any chance of winning. If Cam's not there all the better , he can make big political capital in Dave running scared.Chancy Termites said:Len Rum said:I don't often agree with Cam but funnily enough I do on this one. If UKIP deserve a place at the debate, why not the Greens? ( and what about the Nationalists ,but that's another debate).
But from a political and PR perspective this is a disaster for the Tories and Red Ed has seized the opportunity to accuse Cam of running scared.
Normally the Tories are so much better than Labour at this PR kind of thing.
I don't believe him. His real reason for avoiding the debates is that he's scared of Nigel Farage but of course he can't admit to that. Miliband is scared of Farage too but he can't admit it either. However, he can claim that there's no point taking part if Cameron doesn't. So in this way Cameron and Miliband can work together to duck out and hide.
I have the utmost respect for Clegg for actually being prepared to debate with Farage last year. You could call it poitical suicide as he and his policies were taken to pieces by Farage but at least he was man enough to die with his boots on, while Cameron and Miliband shat their knickers and hid themselves away.
But there's no assumption about Cam. He's already took a big PR risk here of being seen to be weak.
Can you imagine if Ed had refused to participate because of the non involvement of the Greens. He would have been slagged off from pillar to post as being weak and indecisive but because it's call me Dave the pro Tory media will remain silent and fall in line.
blue cigar said:Some great points there.
The uk has not returned a toff govt since 1992, it would take a major sea change for that to alter especially when you factor in ukip and the disasterous policies of this govt that has led to the current state...foodbanks in britain in 2015...and people think cameron has done a good job!
Yeah maybe Ed shouldn't have copped out last year, he's not good at taking political advantage in certain situations.Chancy Termites said:Len Rum said:You're making an assumption regarding Ed that he will claim there is no point in taking part if Cam doesn't. He certainly won't . These debates are crucial to Ed for him to have any chance of winning. If Cam's not there all the better , he can make big political capital in Dave running scared.Chancy Termites said:I don't believe him. His real reason for avoiding the debates is that he's scared of Nigel Farage but of course he can't admit to that. Miliband is scared of Farage too but he can't admit it either. However, he can claim that there's no point taking part if Cameron doesn't. So in this way Cameron and Miliband can work together to duck out and hide.
I have the utmost respect for Clegg for actually being prepared to debate with Farage last year. You could call it poitical suicide as he and his policies were taken to pieces by Farage but at least he was man enough to die with his boots on, while Cameron and Miliband shat their knickers and hid themselves away.
But there's no assumption about Cam. He's already took a big PR risk here of being seen to be weak.
Can you imagine if Ed had refused to participate because of the non involvement of the Greens. He would have been slagged off from pillar to post as being weak and indecisive but because it's call me Dave the pro Tory media will remain silent and fall in line.
Miliband could have chosen to join the debate with Clegg and Farage last year, why did he cop out then? Fear is the only reason that stacks up to me.