The General Election Thread

[Rascal]

3) Housing..simple we need housing. loads of brownfield sites we can build on now. get started, it creates jobs.

Do we really need more housing? If all the vacant properties (including those used for a few days at a time by rich foreigners) were turned over to the people, I'd bet there would be more than enough to go round. And if there are to be more houses, then the plans also need to be in place for the supporting infrastructure - extra schools, for one. Unfortunately, houses seem to spring up in their dozens, and the existing communities are just expected to cope.

Valid point but the entrepenuers who run a kebab shop will have one close in no time

 

[Ducado]

3) Housing..simple we need housing. loads of brownfield sites we can build on now. get started, it creates jobs.

Do we really need more housing? If all the vacant properties (including those used for a few days at a time by rich foreigners) were turned over to the people, I'd bet there would be more than enough to go round. And if there are to be more houses, then the plans also need to be in place for the supporting infrastructure - extra schools, for one. Unfortunately, houses seem to spring up in their dozens, and the existing communities are just expected to cope.

It's quite a complex debate, and no one is quite sure, you are quite right in saying that there are under used houses, however they are mostly private property and as such the owners can more or less do what they wish including leaving them vacant, as for infrastructure there is such thing as Planning Gain, i.e developers have to include new infrastructure in proportion to the number and type of houses they build, as to brown field sites it depends where they are and if people are willing to shell out a fortune to live in a dodgy area

 

[1961_vintage]

Shoe-in route for a Labour victory in May........
1. Alan Johnson back
2. Miliband (the Elder) in support providing visible credibility as Miliband (the Younger) becomes more evanescent
3. Into bed with the Lib Dems
4. UKIP continues to erode the Tory vote

 

[Rascal]

Shoe-in route for a Labour victory in May........
1. Alan Johnson back

Best politician in Britain

 

[smudgedj]

3) Housing..simple we need housing. loads of brownfield sites we can build on now. get started, it creates jobs.

Do we really need more housing? If all the vacant properties (including those used for a few days at a time by rich foreigners) were turned over to the people, I'd bet there would be more than enough to go round. And if there are to be more houses, then the plans also need to be in place for the supporting infrastructure - extra schools, for one. Unfortunately, houses seem to spring up in their dozens, and the existing communities are just expected to cope.

It's quite a complex debate, and no one is quite sure, you are quite right in saying that there are under used houses, however they are mostly private property and as such the owners can more or less do what they wish including leaving them vacant, as for infrastructure there is such thing as Planning Gain, i.e developers have to include new infrastructure in proportion to the number and type of houses they build, as to brown field sites it depends where they are and if people are willing to shell out a fortune to live in a dodgy area

It's not really complex with social housing - if you're under-occupying your social housing the local council could place a homeless person or family there.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Shoe-in route for a Labour victory in May........
1. Alan Johnson back
2. Miliband (the Elder) in support providing visible credibility as Miliband (the Younger) becomes more evanescent
3. Into bed with the Lib Dems
4. UKIP continues to erode the Tory vote

Number one on its own might do it tbh - if they made him leader.

 

[BlueHammer85]

My freind will get back to you on your points , or me. Whatever you chose to believe.

You can choose :)

View from UKIP voter -
Yes that is correct to a very small degree only NOW....take a look at this demographic and tell me if you think the EU is Right Wing, it is not the countrys Party that has the power in Europe it is who is elected to represent the country in Europe that takes the seats

you will find a large majority of Liberal, Socialist and left wing seats, the EPP lead and claim to be centre Right but also pro European and tighter integration

The rise of the Right in European Politics highlights how inefective the EU was during the time it was pro Left, see the second demographic

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11721146" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11721146</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/europes-left" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailycha ... ropes-left</a>

So traditionally and only up until the last 2 years the EU has been very much of the left of politics but due to incompency that is now turning

As for Your Second point yes the obsticale is Freedom of Movement in the EU but whereas a Conservative Governement would look to restrict it and combat it Labour embraced it to their own ends, this is well documented and is obvious as immigration will only increase the Labour vote to attract those who rely on the state, i did not want to use a bias paper or article to highlight this which is numorous and almost universally accepted (remember tories do the same with low taxes to middle and upper class - all parties will engineer to stay in power) so instead i have found a direct admision to this by a close Labour aid

-- The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".
As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the economic benefits and need for more migrants.

Critics said the revelations showed a "conspiracy" within Government to impose mass immigration for "cynical" political reasons.

Mr Neather was a speech writer who worked in Downing Street for Tony Blair and in the Home Office for Jack Straw and David Blunkett, in the early 2000s.

i could show much more.

''We already have a points system in place.'' ...er no we dont only for outside EU

if my rhtoric is Daily Mail and UKIP.....(why not?) then your rhetoric sounds very much like Labour Ministers trying to labelise anyone with a view that Britain should be controlled and proud of their country as racists which makes you fly their flag

The reason thousands and possibly hundreds of thousands of people may be voting for UKIP is not because their Racist and neither am i, i champion Immigration but we have lost our identity and social cohesian and all immigriants now face hate campaigns by Racist groups and Muslim communities also spreading Shia Law, all this because of inept policy making and blatent Social Engineering under the Blair Government.

 

[Bill]

Shoe-in route for a Labour victory in May........
1. Alan Johnson back
2. Miliband (the Elder) in support providing visible credibility as Miliband (the Younger) becomes more evanescent
3. Into bed with the Lib Dems
4. UKIP continues to erode the Tory vote

Then wait till the country is on its knees again and ask to Dave to sort it out....again.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

My freind will get back to you on your points , or me. Whatever you chose to believe.

You can choose :)

View from UKIP voter -
Yes that is correct to a very small degree only NOW....take a look at this demographic and tell me if you think the EU is Right Wing, it is not the countrys Party that has the power in Europe it is who is elected to represent the country in Europe that takes the seats

you will find a large majority of Liberal, Socialist and left wing seats, the EPP lead and claim to be centre Right but also pro European and tighter integration

The rise of the Right in European Politics highlights how inefective the EU was during the time it was pro Left, see the second demographic

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11721146" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11721146</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/europes-left" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailycha ... ropes-left</a>

So traditionally and only up until the last 2 years the EU has been very much of the left of politics but due to incompency that is now turning

As for Your Second point yes the obsticale is Freedom of Movement in the EU but whereas a Conservative Governement would look to restrict it and combat it Labour embraced it to their own ends, this is well documented and is obvious as immigration will only increase the Labour vote to attract those who rely on the state, i did not want to use a bias paper or article to highlight this which is numorous and almost universally accepted (remember tories do the same with low taxes to middle and upper class - all parties will engineer to stay in power) so instead i have found a direct admision to this by a close Labour aid

-- The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".
As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the economic benefits and need for more migrants.

Critics said the revelations showed a "conspiracy" within Government to impose mass immigration for "cynical" political reasons.

Mr Neather was a speech writer who worked in Downing Street for Tony Blair and in the Home Office for Jack Straw and David Blunkett, in the early 2000s.

i could show much more.

''We already have a points system in place.'' ...er no we dont only for outside EU

if my rhtoric is Daily Mail and UKIP.....(why not?) then your rhetoric sounds very much like Labour Ministers trying to labelise anyone with a view that Britain should be controlled and proud of their country as racists which makes you fly their flag

The reason thousands and possibly hundreds of thousands of people may be voting for UKIP is not because their Racist and neither am i, i champion Immigration but we have lost our identity and social cohesian and all immigriants now face hate campaigns by Racist groups and Muslim communities also spreading Shia Law, all this because of inept policy making and blatent Social Engineering under the Blair Government.

Errrr.......this is from someone who votes for the party who 'complain' about medical tourism but passed a law in 2010 to allow people with HIV to migrate to the UK and receive free treatment on the NHS (at a coat on average of £20000 per annum / OVER a £1,000,000 a lifetime) and then comedown on the NHS 'cos their overspending and the say to staff they can only have !% - 3% pay rise after they voted themselves 11%.

oh and I won't mention the £470,000 per annum they spend at Portcullis House renting trees and flowers....

 

[TGR]

You can choose :)

View from UKIP voter -
Yes that is correct to a very small degree only NOW....take a look at this demographic and tell me if you think the EU is Right Wing, it is not the countrys Party that has the power in Europe it is who is elected to represent the country in Europe that takes the seats

you will find a large majority of Liberal, Socialist and left wing seats, the EPP lead and claim to be centre Right but also pro European and tighter integration

The rise of the Right in European Politics highlights how inefective the EU was during the time it was pro Left, see the second demographic

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11721146" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11721146</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/europes-left" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailycha ... ropes-left</a>

So traditionally and only up until the last 2 years the EU has been very much of the left of politics but due to incompency that is now turning

As for Your Second point yes the obsticale is Freedom of Movement in the EU but whereas a Conservative Governement would look to restrict it and combat it Labour embraced it to their own ends, this is well documented and is obvious as immigration will only increase the Labour vote to attract those who rely on the state, i did not want to use a bias paper or article to highlight this which is numorous and almost universally accepted (remember tories do the same with low taxes to middle and upper class - all parties will engineer to stay in power) so instead i have found a direct admision to this by a close Labour aid

-- The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".
As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the economic benefits and need for more migrants.

Critics said the revelations showed a "conspiracy" within Government to impose mass immigration for "cynical" political reasons.

Mr Neather was a speech writer who worked in Downing Street for Tony Blair and in the Home Office for Jack Straw and David Blunkett, in the early 2000s.

i could show much more.

''We already have a points system in place.'' ...er no we dont only for outside EU

if my rhtoric is Daily Mail and UKIP.....(why not?) then your rhetoric sounds very much like Labour Ministers trying to labelise anyone with a view that Britain should be controlled and proud of their country as racists which makes you fly their flag

The reason thousands and possibly hundreds of thousands of people may be voting for UKIP is not because their Racist and neither am i, i champion Immigration but we have lost our identity and social cohesian and all immigriants now face hate campaigns by Racist groups and Muslim communities also spreading Shia Law, all this because of inept policy making and blatent Social Engineering under the Blair Government.

Errrr.......this is from someone who votes for the party who 'complain' about medical tourism but passed a law in 2010 to allow people with HIV to migrate to the UK and receive free treatment on the NHS (at a coat on average of £20000 per annum / OVER a £1,000,000 a lifetime) and then comedown on the NHS 'cos their overspending and the say to staff they can only have !% - 3% pay rise after they voted themselves 11%.

oh and I won't mention the £470,000 per annum they spend at Portcullis House renting trees and flowers....

Kettle.
pot.
Black.

<a class="postlink" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/858221.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/858221.stm</a>

They are all the same regardless of their political colour.