The General Election Thread

[M18CTID]

Done my bit. Now off to work to help keep the wheels of our capitalist economy turning :-)

You voted twice?

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

Done my bit. Now off to work to help keep the wheels of our capitalist economy turning :-)

It's illegal to vote twice

 

[kas_tippler]

Harold Jonathan Esmond Vere Harmsworth, 4th Viscount Rothermere has non-domicile tax status and owns his media businesses through a complex structure of offshore holdings and trusts which entail him paying almost no UK tax on his income, investments or wealth.

I hope Ed taxes the bastard until he physically bleeds and then taxes him some more thereafter.

Don't you mean Gideon?

 

[inbetween]

I struggle with this a bit. I assume you mean the UK, but still.. you try to consider everything in it's entirety or you're a bigot. It's one of things I cant understand. What is best for where I happen to live or best for the world? no matter how minuscule the scale. Basically why I can't stand right wing politics, because it's selfish really, exploitative. there are about 7 billion of us, all conscious.

Think of it this way. I want a Government that is across the entire world that directly controls decision making and will own all public infrastructure, healthcare and the like of rather than having little fiefdoms in imaginary lines on a map suggest that their part is special. I want this because I believe that it will free up private industry focused on products and non-infrastructure services, believe that that human life is sacred and deserves a social safety net, will raise academic/educational standards across the entire world and provide free healthcare to those who need it the most. In addition, it will add transport and other infrastructure links that can be further used to grow economic development indexes in part of the world that need it. Central to this would be unionisation of workers by trade on a global instead of national basis which means the worker in Britain gets economic protectionism but the worker in Thailand gets social protectionism to meet in the middle. Not to mention that a world budget would mean a single world currency and would totally eliminate the notion of rich people "running off to different countries because of too high taxes" which seems to be a major objection some have about corporation tax. Where they going to go? Mars? They could also better distribute raw resources and material management around the world if as I predict robotics has the same effect on the world's economy that industrialisation did.

This is what I believe is best for the human race as a whole. I also think that any party that stood on those ground might get about six votes across the country and three of them would be from people ticking the wrong boxes. In addition, if by some miracle this was adopted in all countries simultaneously then the world's economy would collapse overnight and probably end up in World War 3. You can't just flick a switch and make things like that happen.

So instead you look at where the country is now and what's important. For example, I wouldn't like to go out of Europe because I want MORE federalisation and not less so UKIP is probably off the radar for me unless they made some really attractive promises in their other policies. Outside of that one thing because it's the one concession you make towards your own utopia, you make a judgement call based on the rest of the parties.

I believe that the choice between Tory, Labour and Lib Dems boils down essentially to how you want your money managed in balance to the services that are provided. Looking around the country, or at least in my local areas, I see economic growth and investment starting to come back though the cost of this in a human scale was quite high. Austerity is fine and good but people need a break if only a temporary one. Other people's experience may vary but I understand the idea of voting Labour now to secure the NHS and refund social welfare then bringing back the Tories if necessary in 5 years. My local Labour candidate broke a promise that he made to my face and thus I went with Lib Dem as many of what I think the country needs in the next 5 years are shared by their policies but I'm in an ultra safe Labour seat (~40% majority) so nobody cares what I voted.

Basically there's a difference between person belief and common sense. People should choose which of their deeply held beliefs they are willing to die on a hill for and then compromise on the rest towards the middle, resulting in an equitable result for all concerned. This means not picking a party in advance but instead picking a party based on the changing circumstances as you see them and wrapping up your ego within the membership of this party to the point where you feel people who don't also vote that way are somehow beneath you or are rich people ruining the country. Those forms of narrative are useless and are why people disengage with politics.

The problem with politics at the moment is the complete lack of clarity and rather we are treated as ants who can be read a script and we'll believe it. Still however, judging on what many are saying, that isn't too far from the truth. I have seen people claim immigration is a big issue to them yet they are voting Labour, Labour will not give you a referendum on the EU nor have any real credibility on immigration....... I have also seen people say Labour will sort the NHS yet they have committed £6B less than the conservatives in their manifesto so where is the how in this? It's fine saying they will do this and that but what Labour lack and always have lacked is credibility through saying how and I therefore cannot vote for them.

Today people should consider whether their life over the last 5 years been made worse or better, in my case it is better so I will not be voting for change. I voted Conservative last time and I shall be doing so again because quite simply my life has been made much better and opportunities came my way thanks to it. I have not seen any reason such as a credible policy so far that will remotely change my mind beyond the usual bile about what each party once did 5-10-15 years ago.

I hope everyone will ignore the people and fanfare behind this election, just vote on whether you and your family will have a better life and under which party that would be.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Done my bit. Now off to work to help keep the wheels of our capitalist economy turning :-)

It's illegal to vote twice

"Vote early and vote often" used to always be the policy in NI so I've heard.

If you rolled up to the polling station at this time you'd probably find that somebody else had already voted on your behalf!

 

[Bill]

Done my bit. Now off to work to help keep the wheels of our capitalist economy turning :-)

It's illegal to vote twice

take 2 papers and you can vote twice.
i am taking all 3 of ours and voting using their papers.

 

[xgorton]

Done my bit. Now off to work to help keep the wheels of our capitalist economy turning :-)

It's illegal to vote twice

take 2 papers and you can vote twice.
i am taking all 3 of ours and voting using their papers.

Typical Tory.

 

[kas_tippler]

It's illegal to vote twice

take 2 papers and you can vote twice.
i am taking all 3 of ours and voting using their papers.

Typical Tory.

He's just being diligent.

 

[kas_tippler]

It's illegal to vote twice

take 2 papers and you can vote twice.
i am taking all 3 of ours and voting using their papers.

Typical Tory.

He's just being diligent.

 

[Lucky13]

Beaker will sort those tax avoiding Millionaires out.

 

[xgorton]

I struggle with this a bit. I assume you mean the UK, but still.. you try to consider everything in it's entirety or you're a bigot. It's one of things I cant understand. What is best for where I happen to live or best for the world? no matter how minuscule the scale. Basically why I can't stand right wing politics, because it's selfish really, exploitative. there are about 7 billion of us, all conscious.

Think of it this way. I want a Government that is across the entire world that directly controls decision making and will own all public infrastructure, healthcare and the like of rather than having little fiefdoms in imaginary lines on a map suggest that their part is special. I want this because I believe that it will free up private industry focused on products and non-infrastructure services, believe that that human life is sacred and deserves a social safety net, will raise academic/educational standards across the entire world and provide free healthcare to those who need it the most. In addition, it will add transport and other infrastructure links that can be further used to grow economic development indexes in part of the world that need it. Central to this would be unionisation of workers by trade on a global instead of national basis which means the worker in Britain gets economic protectionism but the worker in Thailand gets social protectionism to meet in the middle. Not to mention that a world budget would mean a single world currency and would totally eliminate the notion of rich people "running off to different countries because of too high taxes" which seems to be a major objection some have about corporation tax. Where they going to go? Mars? They could also better distribute raw resources and material management around the world if as I predict robotics has the same effect on the world's economy that industrialisation did.

This is what I believe is best for the human race as a whole. I also think that any party that stood on those ground might get about six votes across the country and three of them would be from people ticking the wrong boxes. In addition, if by some miracle this was adopted in all countries simultaneously then the world's economy would collapse overnight and probably end up in World War 3. You can't just flick a switch and make things like that happen.

So instead you look at where the country is now and what's important. For example, I wouldn't like to go out of Europe because I want MORE federalisation and not less so UKIP is probably off the radar for me unless they made some really attractive promises in their other policies. Outside of that one thing because it's the one concession you make towards your own utopia, you make a judgement call based on the rest of the parties.

I believe that the choice between Tory, Labour and Lib Dems boils down essentially to how you want your money managed in balance to the services that are provided. Looking around the country, or at least in my local areas, I see economic growth and investment starting to come back though the cost of this in a human scale was quite high. Austerity is fine and good but people need a break if only a temporary one. Other people's experience may vary but I understand the idea of voting Labour now to secure the NHS and refund social welfare then bringing back the Tories if necessary in 5 years. My local Labour candidate broke a promise that he made to my face and thus I went with Lib Dem as many of what I think the country needs in the next 5 years are shared by their policies but I'm in an ultra safe Labour seat (~40% majority) so nobody cares what I voted.

Basically there's a difference between person belief and common sense. People should choose which of their deeply held beliefs they are willing to die on a hill for and then compromise on the rest towards the middle, resulting in an equitable result for all concerned. This means not picking a party in advance but instead picking a party based on the changing circumstances as you see them and wrapping up your ego within the membership of this party to the point where you feel people who don't also vote that way are somehow beneath you or are rich people ruining the country. Those forms of narrative are useless and are why people disengage with politics.

The problem with politics at the moment is the complete lack of clarity and rather we are treated as ants who can be read a script and we'll believe it. Still however, judging on what many are saying, that isn't too far from the truth. I have seen people claim immigration is a big issue to them yet they are voting Labour, Labour will not give you a referendum on the EU nor have any real credibility on immigration....... I have also seen people say Labour will sort the NHS yet they have committed £6B less than the conservatives in their manifesto so where is the how in this? It's fine saying they will do this and that but what Labour lack and always have lacked is credibility through saying how and I therefore cannot vote for them.

Today people should consider whether their life over the last 5 years been made worse or better, in my case it is better so I will not be voting for change. I voted Conservative last time and I shall be doing so again because quite simply my life has been made much better and opportunities came my way thanks to it. I have not seen any reason such as a credible policy so far that will remotely change my mind beyond the usual bile about what each party once did 5-10-15 years ago.

I hope everyone will ignore the people and fanfare behind this election, just vote on whether you and your family will have a better life and under which party that would be.

It shouldn't be all about me me me,we have benefit cuts,bedroom tax,people sick money being suspended,food banks and so on.But we live in a society where I'm ok Jack sod you,we need the Tory coonts out and that's why I will be voting Labour.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Spoiler

Think of it this way. I want a Government that is across the entire world that directly controls decision making and will own all public infrastructure, healthcare and the like of rather than having little fiefdoms in imaginary lines on a map suggest that their part is special. I want this because I believe that it will free up private industry focused on products and non-infrastructure services, believe that that human life is sacred and deserves a social safety net, will raise academic/educational standards across the entire world and provide free healthcare to those who need it the most. In addition, it will add transport and other infrastructure links that can be further used to grow economic development indexes in part of the world that need it. Central to this would be unionisation of workers by trade on a global instead of national basis which means the worker in Britain gets economic protectionism but the worker in Thailand gets social protectionism to meet in the middle. Not to mention that a world budget would mean a single world currency and would totally eliminate the notion of rich people "running off to different countries because of too high taxes" which seems to be a major objection some have about corporation tax. Where they going to go? Mars? They could also better distribute raw resources and material management around the world if as I predict robotics has the same effect on the world's economy that industrialisation did.

This is what I believe is best for the human race as a whole. I also think that any party that stood on those ground might get about six votes across the country and three of them would be from people ticking the wrong boxes. In addition, if by some miracle this was adopted in all countries simultaneously then the world's economy would collapse overnight and probably end up in World War 3. You can't just flick a switch and make things like that happen.

So instead you look at where the country is now and what's important. For example, I wouldn't like to go out of Europe because I want MORE federalisation and not less so UKIP is probably off the radar for me unless they made some really attractive promises in their other policies. Outside of that one thing because it's the one concession you make towards your own utopia, you make a judgement call based on the rest of the parties.

I believe that the choice between Tory, Labour and Lib Dems boils down essentially to how you want your money managed in balance to the services that are provided. Looking around the country, or at least in my local areas, I see economic growth and investment starting to come back though the cost of this in a human scale was quite high. Austerity is fine and good but people need a break if only a temporary one. Other people's experience may vary but I understand the idea of voting Labour now to secure the NHS and refund social welfare then bringing back the Tories if necessary in 5 years. My local Labour candidate broke a promise that he made to my face and thus I went with Lib Dem as many of what I think the country needs in the next 5 years are shared by their policies but I'm in an ultra safe Labour seat (~40% majority) so nobody cares what I voted.

Basically there's a difference between person belief and common sense. People should choose which of their deeply held beliefs they are willing to die on a hill for and then compromise on the rest towards the middle, resulting in an equitable result for all concerned. This means not picking a party in advance but instead picking a party based on the changing circumstances as you see them and wrapping up your ego within the membership of this party to the point where you feel people who don't also vote that way are somehow beneath you or are rich people ruining the country. Those forms of narrative are useless and are why people disengage with politics.

The problem with politics at the moment is the complete lack of clarity and rather we are treated as ants who can be read a script and we'll believe it. Still however, judging on what many are saying, that isn't too far from the truth. I have seen people claim immigration is a big issue to them yet they are voting Labour, Labour will not give you a referendum on the EU nor have any real credibility on immigration....... I have also seen people say Labour will sort the NHS yet they have committed £6B less than the conservatives in their manifesto so where is the how in this? It's fine saying they will do this and that but what Labour lack and always have lacked is credibility through saying how and I therefore cannot vote for them.

Today people should consider whether their life over the last 5 years been made worse or better, in my case it is better so I will not be voting for change. I voted Conservative last time and I shall be doing so again because quite simply my life has been made much better and opportunities came my way thanks to it. I have not seen any reason such as a credible policy so far that will remotely change my mind beyond the usual bile about what each party once did 5-10-15 years ago.

I hope everyone will ignore the people and fanfare behind this election, just vote on whether you and your family will have a better life and under which party that would be.

It shouldn't be all about me me me,we have benefit cuts,bedroom tax,people sick money being suspended,food banks and so on.But we live in a society where I'm ok Jack sod you,we need the Tory coonts out and that's why I will be voting Labour.

So in five years time (or less) we'll need even more drastic measures in place because of Ed and his party's sheer fiscal incompetence......

Blinkered you lot mate

I learnt a lesson in the mob when we used to have new officers coming into our departments. These new section leaders wanted to make a mark and often used their own phrase "a new broom sweeps clean" so they introduced changes that fucked the system....

Eventually these new officers would be generally taken to one side and taught that "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

UK PLC is on the road to recovery and this is the wrong time to bring in a new brush..... IMHO

 

[Lucky13]

Spoiler

The problem with politics at the moment is the complete lack of clarity and rather we are treated as ants who can be read a script and we'll believe it. Still however, judging on what many are saying, that isn't too far from the truth. I have seen people claim immigration is a big issue to them yet they are voting Labour, Labour will not give you a referendum on the EU nor have any real credibility on immigration....... I have also seen people say Labour will sort the NHS yet they have committed £6B less than the conservatives in their manifesto so where is the how in this? It's fine saying they will do this and that but what Labour lack and always have lacked is credibility through saying how and I therefore cannot vote for them.

Today people should consider whether their life over the last 5 years been made worse or better, in my case it is better so I will not be voting for change. I voted Conservative last time and I shall be doing so again because quite simply my life has been made much better and opportunities came my way thanks to it. I have not seen any reason such as a credible policy so far that will remotely change my mind beyond the usual bile about what each party once did 5-10-15 years ago.

I hope everyone will ignore the people and fanfare behind this election, just vote on whether you and your family will have a better life and under which party that would be.

It shouldn't be all about me me me,we have benefit cuts,bedroom tax,people sick money being suspended,food banks and so on.But we live in a society where I'm ok Jack sod you,we need the Tory coonts out and that's why I will be voting Labour.

So in five years time (or less) we'll need even more drastic measures in place because of Ed and his party's sheer fiscal incompetence......

Blinkered you lot mate

I can't help but notice no mention of job creation by the Socialists.

 

[xgorton]

Spoiler

The problem with politics at the moment is the complete lack of clarity and rather we are treated as ants who can be read a script and we'll believe it. Still however, judging on what many are saying, that isn't too far from the truth. I have seen people claim immigration is a big issue to them yet they are voting Labour, Labour will not give you a referendum on the EU nor have any real credibility on immigration....... I have also seen people say Labour will sort the NHS yet they have committed £6B less than the conservatives in their manifesto so where is the how in this? It's fine saying they will do this and that but what Labour lack and always have lacked is credibility through saying how and I therefore cannot vote for them.

Today people should consider whether their life over the last 5 years been made worse or better, in my case it is better so I will not be voting for change. I voted Conservative last time and I shall be doing so again because quite simply my life has been made much better and opportunities came my way thanks to it. I have not seen any reason such as a credible policy so far that will remotely change my mind beyond the usual bile about what each party once did 5-10-15 years ago.

I hope everyone will ignore the people and fanfare behind this election, just vote on whether you and your family will have a better life and under which party that would be.

It shouldn't be all about me me me,we have benefit cuts,bedroom tax,people sick money being suspended,food banks and so on.But we live in a society where I'm ok Jack sod you,we need the Tory coonts out and that's why I will be voting Labour.

So in five years time (or less) we'll need even more drastic measures in place because of Ed and his party's sheer fiscal incompetence......

Blinkered you lot mate

Like I said,I'm ok Jack.Tell you what let's give the bankers another bonus.

 

[Bluemanc100]

It shouldn't be all about me me me,we have benefit cuts,bedroom tax,people sick money being suspended,food banks and so on.But we live in a society where I'm ok Jack sod you,we need the Tory coonts out and that's why I will be voting Labour.

So in five years time (or less) we'll need even more drastic measures in place because of Ed and his party's sheer fiscal incompetence......

Blinkered you lot mate

I can't help but notice no mention of job creation by the Socialists.

They would insist on permanent contracts as opposed to the zero hours offering that some receive at present, Morally decent that is but somebody has to pay for these contracts and many small businesses will go under.........

 

[Bluemanc100]

It shouldn't be all about me me me,we have benefit cuts,bedroom tax,people sick money being suspended,food banks and so on.But we live in a society where I'm ok Jack sod you,we need the Tory coonts out and that's why I will be voting Labour.

So in five years time (or less) we'll need even more drastic measures in place because of Ed and his party's sheer fiscal incompetence......

Blinkered you lot mate

Like I said,I'm ok Jack.Tell you what let's give the bankers another bonus.

Bankers ran riot under Labour and that's partly why we ended up in this mess

We need the bankers here, they drive the economy, if they do a good job we all benefit so in the right circumstances pay them a bonus, its the right thing to do (they are taxed on it aren't they)

 

[Lucky13]

Never forget.

 

[Ric]

Vote cast, and now praying for a Labour victory. Five more years of Tory rule doesn't bear thinking about.

 

[DelToro]

Vote cast, and now praying for a Labour victory. Five more years of Tory rule doesn't bear thinking about.

Come on Ric, here's your chance.

Ban everyone from this forum who is somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan.

Admittedly you would only be left with 21 members but even so it has to be worth it.

 

[M18CTID]

Beaker will sort those tax avoiding Millionaires out.

I'm not going to get involved in a full on session of Labour-bashing but the notion that some have that Labour is far more of a party for the working-class than the Conservatives is totally outdated.