The General Election Thread

[malg]

Greens are going for the disenfranchised Labour voters, and with these policies I reckon most Lefties on here should vote for them rather than Labour:

1. Renationalisation of the railways (I'm pretty sure a poster on here has mentioned this previously).
2. A wealth tax of up to 2 per cent on multimillionaires with assets of more than £3m – a levy that could raise as much as £43bn (surely a policy that would give Lefties a wet dream).
3. Reversal of Coalition health service reforms.
4. The scrapping of the welfare cap and the introduction of community-run schools.
5. They also strongly oppose “fracking” and the construction of the HS2 rail-link, and are calling for heavy investment in renewable energy and energy conservation schemes.

I can see why Cameron wants them on the debates. If Labour can have UKIP giving Cameron a battering on right wing policies, then the least Dave can expect is the Green Party leader to give Milibland a battering on left wing policies!

 

[law74]

when i've gone i wont give a fuck. my aim is to leave my young un wadded so the rabble that is the left wont affect her lifestyle. thats all i can do.

Then you'll not be supporting the Right, they've turned a market economy in to a market society, where everything is commoditized. The Right wants wages low, as labour is nothing more than a factor of cost, but consumption to grow fueled by debt. How anyone can support the Right and yet purport to care about future generations is kidding themselves.

i want a future where my kids can go from success to success, to build on anything i leave them. there is absolutely no chance of that under a labour government. if they do fluke a win, with the assistance of about 15 other parties in coalition, by the time 5 years is up all daves good work will be fucked. yes he will sort it out a again but he's done that this time round. its much better to keep him in office than to start all over again in 5, well i say 5, can't see a weak coalition lasting that long, years time.

Where i and many more (hopefully a sizable majority on May 7th) would prefer a nation that didn't have 3,500,000 children living in poverty, a nation that didn't have 1,000,000 of its citizens relying on foodbanks, a nation that hsd a health service that wasn't in total disarray due to top down reorganisation and underfunding by consecutive right wing governments.
take the £3,500,000,000 tax break for the richest 1% and the £1,000,000,000 that was deprived from the public purse with the giveaway of the royal mail and put it in the NHS or for meals on wheelz cor our elddrly etc & we wouldhave a much better country

 

[urmston]

The Green Party is going for the affluent, professional, public sector, economically clueless Labour voters who have sailed through the recession better than anyone else but still think they've been hard done to.

No wonder Cameron wants them in the TV debates.

 

[Bill]

Then you'll not be supporting the Right, they've turned a market economy in to a market society, where everything is commoditized. The Right wants wages low, as labour is nothing more than a factor of cost, but consumption to grow fueled by debt. How anyone can support the Right and yet purport to care about future generations is kidding themselves.

i want a future where my kids can go from success to success, to build on anything i leave them. there is absolutely no chance of that under a labour government. if they do fluke a win, with the assistance of about 15 other parties in coalition, by the time 5 years is up all daves good work will be fucked. yes he will sort it out a again but he's done that this time round. its much better to keep him in office than to start all over again in 5, well i say 5, can't see a weak coalition lasting that long, years time.

Where i and many more (hopefully a sizable majority on May 7th) would prefer a nation that didn't have 3,500,000 children living in poverty, a nation that didn't have 1,000,000 of its citizens relying on foodbanks, a nation that hsd a health service that wasn't in total disarray due to top down reorganisation and underfunding by consecutive right wing governments.
take the £3,500,000,000 tax break for the richest 1% and the £1,000,000,000 that was deprived from the public purse with the giveaway of the royal mail and put it in the NHS or for meals on wheelz cor our elddrly etc & we wouldhave a much better country

we should all pay the same % of tax. if you earn 10 million and pay 20% of that its way more 20% of a 20 grand a year guy. why should he be penalised for being successful. cut the benefit cheating and there's your nhs, food bank money.

 

[law74]

i want a future where my kids can go from success to success, to build on anything i leave them. there is absolutely no chance of that under a labour government. if they do fluke a win, with the assistance of about 15 other parties in coalition, by the time 5 years is up all daves good work will be fucked. yes he will sort it out a again but he's done that this time round. its much better to keep him in office than to start all over again in 5, well i say 5, can't see a weak coalition lasting that long, years time.

Where i and many more (hopefully a sizable majority on May 7th) would prefer a nation that didn't have 3,500,000 children living in poverty, a nation that didn't have 1,000,000 of its citizens relying on foodbanks, a nation that hsd a health service that wasn't in total disarray due to top down reorganisation and underfunding by consecutive right wing governments.
take the £3,500,000,000 tax break for the richest 1% and the £1,000,000,000 that was deprived from the public purse with the giveaway of the royal mail and put it in the NHS or for meals on wheelz cor our elddrly etc & we wouldhave a much better country

we should all pay the same % of tax. if you earn 10 million and pay 20% of that its way more 20% of a 20 grand a year guy. why should he be penalised for being successful. cut the benefit cheating and there's your nhs, food bank money.

Have you seen the official stats for tax fraud comparedto benefit fraud? By all means pay benefit fraud investigators more and vive them more powers to prove or disprove the allegations but do the same to tax fraudsters and close the loopholes.
FROM EACH BY THEIR MEANS TO EACH BY THEIR NEEDS.

Urmston, would love to know how you are so wonderful in you're knowledge of economics

 

[Bill]

Where i and many more (hopefully a sizable majority on May 7th) would prefer a nation that didn't have 3,500,000 children living in poverty, a nation that didn't have 1,000,000 of its citizens relying on foodbanks, a nation that hsd a health service that wasn't in total disarray due to top down reorganisation and underfunding by consecutive right wing governments.
take the £3,500,000,000 tax break for the richest 1% and the £1,000,000,000 that was deprived from the public purse with the giveaway of the royal mail and put it in the NHS or for meals on wheelz cor our elddrly etc & we wouldhave a much better country

we should all pay the same % of tax. if you earn 10 million and pay 20% of that its way more 20% of a 20 grand a year guy. why should he be penalised for being successful. cut the benefit cheating and there's your nhs, food bank money.

Have you seen the official stats for tax fraud comparedto benefit fraud? By all means pay benefit fraud investigators more and vive them more powers to prove or disprove the allegations but do the same to tax fraudsters and close the loopholes.
FROM EACH BY THEIR MEANS TO EACH BY THEIR NEEDS.

Urmston, would love to know how you are so wonderful in you're knowledge of economics

agree with you totally.

 

[Len Rum]

Greens are going for the disenfranchised Labour voters, and with these policies I reckon most Lefties on here should vote for them rather than Labour:

1. Renationalisation of the railways (I'm pretty sure a poster on here has mentioned this previously).
2. A wealth tax of up to 2 per cent on multimillionaires with assets of more than £3m – a levy that could raise as much as £43bn (surely a policy that would give Lefties a wet dream).
3. Reversal of Coalition health service reforms.
4. The scrapping of the welfare cap and the introduction of community-run schools.
5. They also strongly oppose “fracking” and the construction of the HS2 rail-link, and are calling for heavy investment in renewable energy and energy conservation schemes.

I can see why Cameron wants them on the debates. If Labour can have UKIP giving Cameron a battering on right wing policies, then the least Dave can expect is the Green Party leader to give Milibland a battering on left wing policies!

You must be the only person left on the forum ( if not in the country) who believes Dave is refusing to participate in the debates because of the non inclusion of the Greens.
Congratulations.

 

[Len Rum]

Greens are going for the disenfranchised Labour voters, and with these policies I reckon most Lefties on here should vote for them rather than Labour:

1. Renationalisation of the railways (I'm pretty sure a poster on here has mentioned this previously).
2. A wealth tax of up to 2 per cent on multimillionaires with assets of more than £3m – a levy that could raise as much as £43bn (surely a policy that would give Lefties a wet dream).
3. Reversal of Coalition health service reforms.
4. The scrapping of the welfare cap and the introduction of community-run schools.
5. They also strongly oppose “fracking” and the construction of the HS2 rail-link, and are calling for heavy investment in renewable energy and energy conservation schemes.

I can see why Cameron wants them on the debates. If Labour can have UKIP giving Cameron a battering on right wing policies, then the least Dave can expect is the Green Party leader to give Milibland a battering on left wing policies!

You must be the only person left on the forum ( if not in the country) who believes Dave is refusing to participate in the debates because of the non inclusion of the Greens.
Congratulations.

Oh sorry there's urmston as well.

 

[law74]

& me, though for different reasons and not for the better.
The Greens will take votes off labour as their policies are closer aligned to traditional labour than the current labour parties policies and dave knows the only chance he has of another 5 years destroying anything "not for profit" is to split labours vote in the hope that enough tories can get first past the post with about 30% of turnout to enable him to cobble together a coalition

 

[Len Rum]

& me, though for different reasons and not for the better.
The Greens will take votes off labour as their policies are closer aligned to traditional labour than the current labour parties policies and dave knows the only chance he has of another 5 years destroying anything "not for profit" is to split labours vote in the hope that enough tories can get first past the post with about 30% of turnout to enable him to cobble together a coalition

That's the Three Stooges then!

 

[whp.blue]

Will any of them debate the thorny issue of immigration and the benefit system?

There is also my own personal bug bears of drivers using mobile phones by hand, adverts offering loans at ridiculous rates at peek viewing times, online gambling and unsolicited phone calls and house visits.

Will any of the parties address these issues, I don't think so.

That is all anybody has talked about for about 3 years.

To many people it's also a shite topic that has no relevance to anything at all.

The Greens are committed to removing the Benefit cap so we all could give up work and claim benefits which all small business owners will need to as they are also committed to moving up the minimum wage to what they call a living wage
Not sure about their immigration policies though

 

[malg]

Greens are going for the disenfranchised Labour voters, and with these policies I reckon most Lefties on here should vote for them rather than Labour:

1. Renationalisation of the railways (I'm pretty sure a poster on here has mentioned this previously).
2. A wealth tax of up to 2 per cent on multimillionaires with assets of more than £3m – a levy that could raise as much as £43bn (surely a policy that would give Lefties a wet dream).
3. Reversal of Coalition health service reforms.
4. The scrapping of the welfare cap and the introduction of community-run schools.
5. They also strongly oppose “fracking” and the construction of the HS2 rail-link, and are calling for heavy investment in renewable energy and energy conservation schemes.

I can see why Cameron wants them on the debates. If Labour can have UKIP giving Cameron a battering on right wing policies, then the least Dave can expect is the Green Party leader to give Milibland a battering on left wing policies!

You must be the only person left on the forum ( if not in the country) who believes Dave is refusing to participate in the debates because of the non inclusion of the Greens.
Congratulations.

Oh sorry there's urmston as well.

No. I've posted previously that I was unsure why he was doing so, especially given his lambasting of Gordon Brown last time round. I'm just throwing out another idea for discussion.

Personally, I think his advisors have told him that Miliband will have a field day with him on the NHS and possibly even the economy, and that Farage will hammer him on immigration and Europe, and even the Lib Dems will try their hardest to distance themselves from him. He's on a hiding to nothing, and this Green angle is something to cling to, and if he gets his way I reckon the only loser would be Miliband.

 

[Len Rum]

I'm confused, whatever happened to 'Vote Tory, Vote Green' ?

 

[law74]

& me, though for different reasons and not for the better.
The Greens will take votes off labour as their policies are closer aligned to traditional labour than the current labour parties policies and dave knows the only chance he has of another 5 years destroying anything "not for profit" is to split labours vote in the hope that enough tories can get first past the post with about 30% of turnout to enable him to cobble together a coalition

That's the Three Stooges then!

Been called many a thing in the past (& shockingly not quite all good), but never a stooge before lol

 

[The perfect fumble]

I'm confused, whatever happened to 'Vote Tory, Vote Green' ?

You find it under the Big Society folders over there.

 

[Len Rum]

You must be the only person left on the forum ( if not in the country) who believes Dave is refusing to participate in the debates because of the non inclusion of the Greens.
Congratulations.

Oh sorry there's urmston as well.

No. I've posted previously that I was unsure why he was doing so, especially given his lambasting of Gordon Brown last time round. I'm just throwing out another idea for discussion.

Personally, I think his advisors have told him that Miliband will have a field day with him on the NHS and possibly even the economy, and that Farage will hammer him on immigration and Europe, and even the Lib Dems will try their hardest to distance themselves from him. He's on a hiding to nothing, and this Green angle is something to cling to, and if he gets his way I reckon the only loser would be Miliband.

"Miliband will have a field day with him......possibly on the economy".
I don't think so , this is Dave's big plus ( albeit a con, but nevertheless a good one).
Farage will also hammer Ed on Europe and immigration.
So Cam's by no means in a more difficult situation than Ed.
He's just bottled it, using the Greens as an excuse.

 

[Len Rum]

I'm confused, whatever happened to 'Vote Tory, Vote Green' ?

You find it under the Big Society folders over there.

Ah I see it now, behind that 'Hug a Hoodie' poster.

 

[blueinsa]

Watching PMQ's and Milliband is being handed his arse on a plate by Cameron. Im from a Labour voting family and have voted so myself for most of my adult life but Milliband and this current crop of Labour are completely unelectable imo.

 

[whp.blue]

Watching PMQ's and Milliband is being handed his arse on a plate by Cameron. Im from a Labour voting family and have voted so myself for most of my adult life but Milliband and this current crop of Labour are completely unelectable imo.

100% agree and this is why Labour should have binned this clown months ago

 

[Damocles]

Labour aren't unelectable due to Milliband. It is because after Blair took them to the right, they have lost their political identity. Why vote for ToryLite when you can have the real thing?

People who vote for Labour in 2015 are the same people who like shandy over lager.