The General Election Thread

[Cheesy]

Does the way you vote really matter anyway?

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Constituency = Tamworth

Voter Power Index = 115 out of 650

Average UK voting power = 0.253

My voting power = 0.507

Basicaly, my vote is twice as important as the average UK voter :)

Where I live will be similar, but the website isn't right

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Only goes up to 2005

Labour lost the seat to the Torys, who have a majority of only 1000

Bugger, missed that.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

That goes against Keynesian economic theory and Brown being profligate meant the cuts had to come harder and faster than they otherwise could have done.

Osborne has also ignored Keynes, who advised public investment and tax cuts in an economic downturn. He cut investment and raised VAT.

Fact is Keynesian thinking has been overtaken by Hayek and Friedman. Neo-Liberalism rules the economic roost with all its associated small state ideology. Thats the real reason for this mindless austerity.

You being a bright lad must see the lies that have been spouted so this course of action can be undertaken.

Perhaps this key difference is that Osborne, unlike Balls, doesn't lecture the rest of us about the supremacy of Keynsianism.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Because Brown ran a deficit rather than a surplus during a sustained period of economic growth.

It's the same as getting pay rise after pay rise and always increasing your credit card limit rather than saving (like the Germans) and then losing your job.

Then the crash happened, the UK had nothing put aside and were right in the shit.

Of course cuts had to be made. brown had gone on a ten year ideologically inspired spending trip.

The budget deficit was nothing out of the ordinary prior to the crash, either historically or in comparison to other advanced industrial nations, post crash he borrowed to mitigate the effects.

Brown and Darling were praised around the world for their reaction to the crash. It was only when Cameron and Clegg got in that the narrative became all about the deficit and how it was all about welfare and the poor.

That narrative remains, it's a lie of course, but because the election will be fought on the deficit and nothing else I suspect now, for the first time, that the Tories will scrape through as the largest party.

No, you don't understand. He ran a deficit during sustained growth.

That goes against Keynesian economic theory and Brown being profligate meant the cuts had to come harder and faster than they otherwise could have done.

Yes, he did, there was massive investment in our crumbling hospitals, schools and infrastructure after decades of neglect.

But when the global economy collapsed....

"Nobel laureate Paul Krugman remarked: "Brown and Alistair Darling have defined the character of the worldwide rescue effort, with other wealthy nations playing catch-up." And how Brown was sneered at for cajoling other governments to pump money into the world economy. How the Tories leapt upon Germany's denunciation of his policies as "crass Keynesianism" – then kept mum when Angela Merkel launched her own massive budget stimulus. The $1tn deal brokered by the British government at the G20 summit in 2009 was described by the World Bank as "having broken the fall" of the global economy."....

The same goes for that most controversial of Brown's policies as prime minister – to offset a global recession by cutting taxes and creating jobs for young people. That decision has never got the credit it deserves. As the former Bank of England policy-maker Danny Blanchflower notes in the most recent New Statesman, the budget stimulus led to Britain's economy actually growing 3.1% between the autumns of 2009 and 2010. Under the coalition in the year afterwards, it grew 0.3%.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/06/gordon-brown-save-world-uk

Not bad.

 

[baildon blue]

Ed Miliband a complete wet lettuce .
Just seen him on Granda Report .
And i think I could lead the Labour Party better than him .
5 years ago the unions should have picked David his brother .
Anyway i think Labour look totally out of touch with the people .

 

[worsleyweb]

Ed Miliband a complete wet lettuce .
Just seen him on Granda Report .
And i think I could lead the Labour Party better than him .
5 years ago the unions should have David his brother .
Anyway i think Labour look totally out of touch with the people .

Can you imagine him as our pm! ???

 

[Len Rum]

Ed Miliband a complete wet lettuce .
Just seen him on Granda Report .
And i think I could lead the Labour Party better than him .
5 years ago the unions should have picked David his brother .
Anyway i think Labour look totally out of touch with the people .

A staggering new perspective on Ed the likes of which I haven't come across before on this forum.

 

[Len Rum]

Ed Miliband a complete wet lettuce .
Just seen him on Granda Report .
And i think I could lead the Labour Party better than him .
5 years ago the unions should have David his brother .
Anyway i think Labour look totally out of touch with the people .

Can you imagine him as our pm! ???

Err, yes I can.
Obviously you can't.
Perhaps we can move the debate on a bit.

 

[baildon blue]

Ed Miliband a complete wet lettuce .
Just seen him on Granda Report .
And i think I could lead the Labour Party better than him .
5 years ago the unions should have David his brother .
Anyway i think Labour look totally out of touch with the people .

Can you imagine him as our pm! ???

Err, yes I can.
Obviously you can't.
Perhaps we can move the debate on a bit.

I can't see him being the next Prime Minster .
Your on the wind up if you think will our next leader .

 

[johnny on the spot]

VOTE FOR BILBO

 

[The perfect fumble]

Ed Miliband a complete wet lettuce .
Just seen him on Granda Report .
And i think I could lead the Labour Party better than him .
5 years ago the unions should have David his brother .
Anyway i think Labour look totally out of touch with the people .

Can you imagine him as our pm! ???

Err, yes I can.
Obviously you can't.
Perhaps we can move the debate on a bit.

I think there's very little chance of that when so many here think "Ed is a tosser" is the killer definitive.

 

[Len Rum]

Which ample evidence?

There was an international financial crash.

Was that the fault of the Labour government?

The Labour government must bear responsibility for not regulating the markets tightly enough. Unfortunately they did not repeal the deregulation of the Tory Government in 1987.

Because Brown ran a deficit rather than a surplus during a sustained period of economic growth.

It's the same as getting pay rise after pay rise and always increasing your credit card limit rather than saving (like the Germans) and then losing your job.

Then the crash happened, the UK had nothing put aside and were right in the shit.

Of course cuts had to be made. brown had gone on a ten year ideologically inspired spending trip.

The budget deficit was nothing out of the ordinary prior to the crash, either historically or in comparison to other advanced industrial nations, post crash he borrowed to mitigate the effects.

Brown and Darling were praised around the world for their reaction to the crash. It was only when Cameron and Clegg got in that the narrative became all about the deficit and how it was all about welfare and the poor.

That narrative remains, it's a lie of course, but because the election will be fought on the deficit and nothing else I suspect now, for the first time, that the Tories will scrape through as the largest party.

Oh fcuk don't tell me you've given up on Ed now!
With the Scottish situation being what it is I'd thrown in the towel a long time ago.
No doubt the Tories will pick up a few points in the polls during the campaign by constantly repeating their good 'story' on the economy.
Hopefully Labour can deny them an overall majority.
With such low expectations I suppose things can only get better ( where've I heard that before?).

 

[The perfect fumble]

Because Brown ran a deficit rather than a surplus during a sustained period of economic growth.

It's the same as getting pay rise after pay rise and always increasing your credit card limit rather than saving (like the Germans) and then losing your job.

Then the crash happened, the UK had nothing put aside and were right in the shit.

Of course cuts had to be made. brown had gone on a ten year ideologically inspired spending trip.

The budget deficit was nothing out of the ordinary prior to the crash, either historically or in comparison to other advanced industrial nations, post crash he borrowed to mitigate the effects.

Brown and Darling were praised around the world for their reaction to the crash. It was only when Cameron and Clegg got in that the narrative became all about the deficit and how it was all about welfare and the poor.

That narrative remains, it's a lie of course, but because the election will be fought on the deficit and nothing else I suspect now, for the first time, that the Tories will scrape through as the largest party.

Oh fcuk don't tell me you've given up on Ed now!
With the Scottish situation being what it is I'd thrown in the towel a long time ago.
No doubt the Tories will pick up a few points in the polls during the campaign by constantly repeating their good 'story' on the economy.
Hopefully Labour can deny them an overall majority.
With such low expectations I suppose things can only get better ( where've I heard that before?).

No, but if the debate is deficit focused, to the exclusion of everything else, then Labour are in trouble if they're squeezed by a social democratic Scotland and fiscally conservative little englander South East.

David Cameron 2005 - quote

Earlier this year, we learnt from the Citizens Advice Bureau of a single mother who had to rely on a Salvation Army food parcel to survive.

A Salvation Army food parcel, in this, the fourth richest country in the world, run by a Labour government

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/nov/08/toryleadership2005.conservatives

 

[Len Rum]

The budget deficit was nothing out of the ordinary prior to the crash, either historically or in comparison to other advanced industrial nations, post crash he borrowed to mitigate the effects.

Brown and Darling were praised around the world for their reaction to the crash. It was only when Cameron and Clegg got in that the narrative became all about the deficit and how it was all about welfare and the poor.

That narrative remains, it's a lie of course, but because the election will be fought on the deficit and nothing else I suspect now, for the first time, that the Tories will scrape through as the largest party.

Oh fcuk don't tell me you've given up on Ed now!
With the Scottish situation being what it is I'd thrown in the towel a long time ago.
No doubt the Tories will pick up a few points in the polls during the campaign by constantly repeating their good 'story' on the economy.
Hopefully Labour can deny them an overall majority.
With such low expectations I suppose things can only get better ( where've I heard that before?).

No, but if the debate is deficit focused, to the exclusion of everything else, then Labour are in trouble if they're squeezed by a social democratic Scotland and fiscally conservative little englander South East.

David Cameron 2005 - quote

Earlier this year, we learnt from the Citizens Advice Bureau of a single mother who had to rely on a Salvation Army food parcel to survive.

A Salvation Army food parcel, in this, the fourth richest country in the world, run by a Labour government

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/nov/08/toryleadership2005.conservatives

Ah, the good old days when Cam was a compassionate ,one nation, caring,sharing Tory.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

Oh fcuk don't tell me you've given up on Ed now!
With the Scottish situation being what it is I'd thrown in the towel a long time ago.
No doubt the Tories will pick up a few points in the polls during the campaign by constantly repeating their good 'story' on the economy.
Hopefully Labour can deny them an overall majority.
With such low expectations I suppose things can only get better ( where've I heard that before?).

No, but if the debate is deficit focused, to the exclusion of everything else, then Labour are in trouble if they're squeezed by a social democratic Scotland and fiscally conservative little englander South East.

David Cameron 2005 - quote

Earlier this year, we learnt from the Citizens Advice Bureau of a single mother who had to rely on a Salvation Army food parcel to survive.

A Salvation Army food parcel, in this, the fourth richest country in the world, run by a Labour government

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/nov/08/toryleadership2005.conservatives

Ah, the good old days when Cam was a compassionate ,one nation, caring,sharing Tory.

That's right, in 2005 when gordon had beaten boom and bust. When we had (according to him) one of the best economies in the world and when the twat was spending like a lottery winner

 

[whp.blue]

No, but if the debate is deficit focused, to the exclusion of everything else, then Labour are in trouble if they're squeezed by a social democratic Scotland and fiscally conservative little englander South East.

David Cameron 2005 - quote

Earlier this year, we learnt from the Citizens Advice Bureau of a single mother who had to rely on a Salvation Army food parcel to survive.

A Salvation Army food parcel, in this, the fourth richest country in the world, run by a Labour government

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/nov/08/toryleadership2005.conservatives

Ah, the good old days when Cam was a compassionate ,one nation, caring,sharing Tory.

That's right, in 2005 when gordon had beaten boom and bust. When we had (according to him) one of the best economies in the world and when the twat was spending like a lottery winner

I thought Brown was an all time low as a Leader for the labour party and his legacy would last long in peoples memories then fuck me the labour party committed political suicide and elected perhaps the only person in the party worse than Brown as their leader.

Ed fucking Milliband

 

[SWP's back]

Fact is Keynesian thinking has been overtaken by Hayek and Friedman. Neo-Liberalism rules the economic roost with all its associated small state ideology. Thats the real reason for this mindless austerity.

You being a bright lad must see the lies that have been spouted so this course of action can be undertaken.

Course he did.

The Tories don't subscribe to Keynes.

You should really be in agreement with me that brown was profligate.

 

[SWP's back]

That goes against Keynesian economic theory and Brown being profligate meant the cuts had to come harder and faster than they otherwise could have done.

Osborne has also ignored Keynes, who advised public investment and tax cuts in an economic downturn. He cut investment and raised VAT.

Fact is Keynesian thinking has been overtaken by Hayek and Friedman. Neo-Liberalism rules the economic roost with all its associated small state ideology. Thats the real reason for this mindless austerity.

You being a bright lad must see the lies that have been spouted so this course of action can be undertaken.

Perhaps this key difference is that Osborne, unlike Balls, doesn't lecture the rest of us about the supremacy of Keynsianism.

Exactly.

 

[worsleyweb]

Ed Miliband a complete wet lettuce .
Just seen him on Granda Report .
And i think I could lead the Labour Party better than him .
5 years ago the unions should have David his brother .
Anyway i think Labour look totally out of touch with the people .

Can you imagine him as our pm! ???

Err, yes I can.
Obviously you can't.
Perhaps we can move the debate on a bit.

Apart from coming across as a complete geek, I have yet to hear him say anything of real substance. To let him be the political figurehead for our country would be a disaster as 88 percent of the country agree. On top of the fact labour left the country in such an economic mess I simple fail to see how they are electable.

 

[Rascal]

Perhaps this key difference is that Osborne, unlike Balls, doesn't lecture the rest of us about the supremacy of Keynsianism.

Perhaps the key difference is the historian Osborne has no idea who Keynes is.

 

[Lucky13]

New mug has arrived, disappointed there isn't an open door on it .