The General Election Thread

[101toMR]

From a personal point of view I'd abolish the NHS completely, survival of the fittest as Herbert Spencer put it. Natural selection has always been the way the human race has evolved until recently thus creating a over reliance on the welfare state.

When I was 20 I would have said yes.
But not now ;-)

 

[Metal Biker]

You do seem to have a big bee in your bonnet Metal. Not rewarded sufficiently for your labour? How much would you want every month before you'd consider the paying of tax fair?

Ooh, I dunno. £250,000 a week wouldn't go amiss.

Plus a bee in a helmet isn't fun. At all.

 

[TangerineSteve17]

You do seem to have a big bee in your bonnet Metal. Not rewarded sufficiently for your labour? How much would you want every month before you'd consider the paying of tax fair?

Ooh, I dunno. £250,000 a week wouldn't go amiss.

Plus a bee in a helmet isn't fun. At all.

Well with your attitude you might just get there! Keep the faith

 

[M18CTID]

For the sake of balance, shall we talk about the c**ts that cost this country far more by not paying any tax?

I agree mate - that gets my back up every bit as much as those taking the piss out of the benefits system

 

[yerwot?]

Could any of the over-taxed ( in their view, if not everyone's given the myriad ways of tax reduction available to those not chained to PAYE ) spare a moment from quoting daily mail/murdoch propaganda as facts, and point to a country that they see as their ideal. Clearly it would not be anywhere in the EU, far too democratic, especially the likes of Scandinavia but until someone tells me different, the extreme inequalities of India fits the tory template to a tee. Before anyone makes the obvious riposte that a left-wing dream is to be another North Korea, think again. Try Denmark, or Sweden for instance, or anywhere that values humanitarian principles, where the excesses of the exploiters against the exploited are seen as a crime and not an entitlement.

 

[Len Rum]

Tories getting desperate.
Behind in the polls, they're now scaremongering about Labour scrapping Trident ( Labour are committed to retaining it) and slagging Ed off again (yawn).
Worrying times for the Cons.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Tories getting desperate.
Behind in the polls, they're now scaremongering about Labour scrapping Trident ( Labour are committed to retaining it) and slagging Ed off again (yawn).
Worrying times for the Cons.

The latest poll of polls had the Tories in a slight lead.

 

[Daz_Blue]

Tories getting desperate.
Behind in the polls, they're now scaremongering about Labour scrapping Trident ( Labour are committed to retaining it) and slagging Ed off again (yawn).
Worrying times for the Cons.

The latest poll of polls had the Tories in a slight lead.

Todays poll of polls....Labour with slight lead

<a class="postlink" href="http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2015/04/02/uk-general-election-ftpoll-of-polls/?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fworld_uk_politics%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2015/04/02/u ... %2Fproduct</a>

 

[whp.blue]

For the sake of balance, shall we talk about the c**ts that cost this country far more by not paying any tax?

I agree mate - that gets my back up every bit as much as those taking the piss out of the benefits system

This is also wrong I have always advocated fairness and I have not avoid paying tax
The reason the scroungers come under more scrutiny on here is we understand them better and I know what chances in life they have had as I went to School with them etc.
I don't often meet CEO's of multi national corporations so they don't rub their fraud in my face like scroungers do.

 

[Rascal]

£13m on suncream prescriptions, the NHS needs saving.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031124/13million-NHS-bill-suncream-Millions-wasted-prescriptions-toothpaste-Yakult-Calpol.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... alpol.html</a>

Having read the article it is possibly one of the most idiotic headlines i have ever seen.

Typical fucking nonsense.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Tories getting desperate.
Behind in the polls, they're now scaremongering about Labour scrapping Trident ( Labour are committed to retaining it) and slagging Ed off again (yawn).
Worrying times for the Cons.

The latest poll of polls had the Tories in a slight lead.

Todays poll of polls....Labour with slight lead

<a class="postlink" href="http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2015/04/02/uk-general-election-ftpoll-of-polls/?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fworld_uk_politics%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2015/04/02/u ... %2Fproduct</a>

Cant get on that without registration

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/poll-tracker was of last Monday, most didnt poll over the bank holiday so only the populus actually polled this weekend, which was a slight Labour lead.

Its so close its all about what you read and believe I guess, as i have no vested interest in the top 4 parties, I tend to read the poll of polls data to get a more rounded opinion.

 

[Rascal]

For the sake of balance, shall we talk about the c**ts that cost this country far more by not paying any tax?

I agree mate - that gets my back up every bit as much as those taking the piss out of the benefits system

This is also wrong I have always advocated fairness and I have not avoid paying tax
The reason the scroungers come under more scrutiny on here is we understand them better and I know what chances in life they have had as I went to School with them etc.
I don't often meet CEO's of multi national corporations so they don't rub their fraud in my face like scroungers do.

It is difficult to debate such subjects when people have such diametrically opposed views of what is actually fair. I dont know whats influenced your view and you dont know what has influenced mine.

The scrounger rhetoric is obviously in the ascendency nowadays and to me it misses huge tracts of the issue. The focus is always on the scrounging lazy fuckers with the big TV blah blah blah, its never about the corporate benefit scroungers who pay such low wages they have to be topped up by welfare.

When even a person such as Pope Francis with all that the Catholic churches conservatism brings rails against the sins of capitalism as being the main threat to the individual worker then something is wrong with society. The crux of his arguent was that he retains the theory of labour value in that workers have value and generate value but under capitalism the workers are denied recognition as creators and partners in the economic system. This is endemic in corporate welfare. The worker is undervalued by the employer and the state has to make up the shortcoming. That is not a failure of the welfare state and all it brings in all its forms its a failure of capitalism itself.

 

[Len Rum]

The latest poll of polls had the Tories in a slight lead.

Todays poll of polls....Labour with slight lead

<a class="postlink" href="http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2015/04/02/uk-general-election-ftpoll-of-polls/?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fworld_uk_politics%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2015/04/02/u ... %2Fproduct</a>

Cant get on that without registration

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/poll-tracker was of last Monday, most didnt poll over the bank holiday so only the populus actually polled this weekend, which was a slight Labour lead. Also YouGov 7th April Labour two point lead, YouGov 8th April, Labour 1 point lead

Its so close its all about what you read and believe I guess, as i have no vested interest in the top 4 parties, I tend to read the poll of polls data to get a more rounded opinion.

Edited for accuracy.
Of course it's too close to call, but the Tories were anticipating pulling away from Labour now, hence the panic about small Labour leads shown in the last three polls during and since Easter.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Todays poll of polls....Labour with slight lead

<a class="postlink" href="http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2015/04/02/uk-general-election-ftpoll-of-polls/?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fworld_uk_politics%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2015/04/02/u ... %2Fproduct</a>

Cant get on that without registration

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/poll-tracker was of last Monday, most didnt poll over the bank holiday so only the populus actually polled this weekend, which was a slight Labour lead. Also YouGov 7th April Labour two point lead, YouGov 8th April, Labour 1 point lead

Its so close its all about what you read and believe I guess, as i have no vested interest in the top 4 parties, I tend to read the poll of polls data to get a more rounded opinion.

Edited for accuracy.
Of course it's too close to call, but the Tories were anticipating pulling away from Labour now, hence the panic about small Labour leads shown in the last three polls during and since Easter.

I need to change the website i am using, as it said no polling was done for those over the weekend.

You say the Tories were anticipating pulling way, but the fact is Labour should be well ahead in the polls by now, this government is there to be shot at, the fact they cant pull out a lead must be of worry to them as the Tories usually fair slightly better in the booths than the polls.

It still all points to a hung parliament and despite the debates nothing has changed that.

 

[SWP's back]

I'm so pleased I don't pay tax reading this.

 

[blueinsa]

I'm so pleased I don't pay tax reading this.

You tip the bar staff more than we pay tax ;-)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

In your post you state that without benefits crime would increase etc this is a threat that if certain people don't get what they want they will ruin society for the rest of us.

A threat by whom? I can't claim to speak for these people. My statement was a reflection of the reality. Do you honestly expect a more draconian welfare policy to have no related social consequences arising from it?

Well society will be ruined if we continue to subsidize these peoples lives.

You love talking in absolutes. So, you're saying if we carry on paying benefits in our current format our society will just feebly cease to function? Seems like a pretty flimsy society to me.

 

[kas_tippler]

Benefits and the welfare state breeds lazy people, its a proven fact. The only way to get this country back on its feet is:
Reduce unemployment by spending on infrastructure such as building new motorways
Introduce national service for 18-25 year olds
Increase spending on armed forces
Making sure the country is self sufficient

 

[Len Rum]

Benefits and the welfare state breeds lazy people, its a proven fact. The only way to get this country back on its feet is:
Reduce unemployment by spending on infrastructure such as building new motorways
Introduce national service for 18-25 year olds
Increase spending on armed forces
Making sure the country is self sufficient

"spending on infrastructure such as building new motorways"
"Increase spending on armed forces"
You closet socialist you!

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Benefits and the welfare state breeds lazy people, its a proven fact. The only way to get this country back on its feet is:
Reduce unemployment by spending on infrastructure such as building new motorways
Introduce national service for 18-25 year olds
Increase spending on armed forces
Making sure the country is self sufficient

"spending on infrastructure such as building new motorways"
"Increase spending on armed forces"
You closet socialist you!

Didnt a certain National Socialist encourage similar policies in the early 1930s in Germany?