The General Election Thread

[M18CTID]

Cant get on that without registration

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/poll-tracker was of last Monday, most didnt poll over the bank holiday so only the populus actually polled this weekend, which was a slight Labour lead. Also YouGov 7th April Labour two point lead, YouGov 8th April, Labour 1 point lead

Its so close its all about what you read and believe I guess, as i have no vested interest in the top 4 parties, I tend to read the poll of polls data to get a more rounded opinion.

Edited for accuracy.
Of course it's too close to call, but the Tories were anticipating pulling away from Labour now, hence the panic about small Labour leads shown in the last three polls during and since Easter.

I need to change the website i am using, as it said no polling was done for those over the weekend.

You say the Tories were anticipating pulling way, but the fact is Labour should be well ahead in the polls by now, this government is there to be shot at, the fact they cant pull out a lead must be of worry to them as the Tories usually fair slightly better in the booths than the polls.

It still all points to a hung parliament and despite the debates nothing has changed that.

FWIW, I think whoever got voted in in 2010 would've been "there to be shot at". It's been a tough time since the economic downturn kicked in in 2008 and it was never going to be an easy ride for whoever got elected.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Benefits and the welfare state breeds lazy people, its a proven fact. The only way to get this country back on its feet is:
Reduce unemployment by spending on infrastructure such as building new motorways
Introduce national service for 18-25 year olds
Increase spending on armed forces
Making sure the country is self sufficient

"spending on infrastructure such as building new motorways"
"Increase spending on armed forces"
You closet socialist you!

Didnt a certain National Socialist encourage similar policies in the early 1930s in Germany?

Arbeit macht frei

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Edited for accuracy.
Of course it's too close to call, but the Tories were anticipating pulling away from Labour now, hence the panic about small Labour leads shown in the last three polls during and since Easter.

I need to change the website i am using, as it said no polling was done for those over the weekend.

You say the Tories were anticipating pulling way, but the fact is Labour should be well ahead in the polls by now, this government is there to be shot at, the fact they cant pull out a lead must be of worry to them as the Tories usually fair slightly better in the booths than the polls.

It still all points to a hung parliament and despite the debates nothing has changed that.

FWIW, I think whoever got voted in in 2010 would've been "there to be shot at". It's been a tough time since the economic downturn kicked in in 2008 and it was never going to be an easy ride for whoever got elected.

I agree, the fact that Labour havent made more inroads than they have says a lot about voter apathy and the lack of direction within the party. Dave and his mob have broken promises, got into bed with Liberals and had their support diluted by UKIP and Labour still cant manage any sort of noticeable lead. I wish 'socialists' would vote for the most recognisable socialist party in the country, but voting Green never has been fashionable, Torylite is a lot more fashionable and institutionalised in voters minds.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

"spending on infrastructure such as building new motorways"
"Increase spending on armed forces"
You closet socialist you!

Didnt a certain National Socialist encourage similar policies in the early 1930s in Germany?

Arbeit macht frei

Well the above phrase, which he used as an election slogan a first, had a much more sinister connotation as it adorned the entrance gates to concentration camps such as Auschwitz in later years of the Reich.

Hitler upon gaining power, went about a huge motorway building project forcing many into labour or creating jobs whichever way you look at it and of course one of his major policies was the rebuilding of the armed forces, which was restricted by the treaty of Versailles after WWI.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Leaked Conservative strategy document sent last week to all Tory candidates. Cameron mentioned 10 times, Miliband 99, Salmond 8

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Leaked Conservative strategy document sent last week to all Tory candidates. Cameron mentioned 10 times, Miliband 99, Salmond 8

What about Nick Clegg?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Leaked Conservative strategy document sent last week to all Tory candidates. Cameron mentioned 10 times, Miliband 99, Salmond 8

What about Nick Clegg?

I've been asking that same question for the last five years.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Leaked Conservative strategy document sent last week to all Tory candidates. Cameron mentioned 10 times, Miliband 99, Salmond 8

What about Nick Clegg?

I've been asking that same question for the last five years.

He's courageously held the country together in that time.

 

[The perfect fumble]

What about Nick Clegg?

I've been asking that same question for the last five years.

He's courageously held the country together in that time.

Courage is saving a comrade under fire, courage is nursing a partner with dementia or running into a burning building to save a child.

The Tory narrative is simple, whatever good this coalition has achieved the Tories have appropriated entirely for themselves, mistakes are either down to being shackled to the Libs or Labours mess.

 

[whp.blue]

I agree mate - that gets my back up every bit as much as those taking the piss out of the benefits system

This is also wrong I have always advocated fairness and I have not avoid paying tax
The reason the scroungers come under more scrutiny on here is we understand them better and I know what chances in life they have had as I went to School with them etc.
I don't often meet CEO's of multi national corporations so they don't rub their fraud in my face like scroungers do.

It is difficult to debate such subjects when people have such diametrically opposed views of what is actually fair. I dont know whats influenced your view and you dont know what has influenced mine.

The scrounger rhetoric is obviously in the ascendency nowadays and to me it misses huge tracts of the issue. The focus is always on the scrounging lazy fuckers with the big TV blah blah blah, its never about the corporate benefit scroungers who pay such low wages they have to be topped up by welfare.

When even a person such as Pope Francis with all that the Catholic churches conservatism brings rails against the sins of capitalism as being the main threat to the individual worker then something is wrong with society. The crux of his arguent was that he retains the theory of labour value in that workers have value and generate value but under capitalism the workers are denied recognition as creators and partners in the economic system. This is endemic in corporate welfare. The worker is undervalued by the employer and the state has to make up the shortcoming. That is not a failure of the welfare state and all it brings in all its forms its a failure of capitalism itself.

Well to be honest I would listen to a teacup before I took any notice of the elected leader of the catholic church he is about as far removed from British politics as the man in the moon

And as I have stated I have no issue with tax evaders being brought to book corporate or otherwise.
That is the difference between my right wing views and your left wing views where you take a defensive stance towards the scroungers I am happy to state both sides are indefensible!

I want a fair society not one which is loaded on the side of the downright idle.

 

[The perfect fumble]

News Alert...

The Lib Dem battle bus has just killed a pigeon.

Election Going For Gold....

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[M18CTID]

do you think that maybe we look at this the wrong way. "benefits" used to be called "Welfare" and were designed to provide a safety net for those that fell ill or were out of work to provide the basic necessities. that doesn't appear to be the case now which is why we get the argument on one hand that there are genuine people being penalized by the system and scroungers sitting in front of 60" TV's

one solution would be to provide some benefits via a debit card that could only be used for agreed items such as food and not for alcohol or cigarettes. as most shoppers use cards to pay there would be no stigma attached and the only way anyone would know is if the card was used to buy unauthorised items.

I am sure there are holes in this but it strikes me that everyone should be able to put food on the table and shouldn't be able to piss benefits away. we assume that everyone is responsible, but they aren't.

Careful mate - the last time I saw this idea get a mention on here, Rascal threw a right fucking wobbler!

 

[Bill]

Yeah because in pre-benefits days nobody had large families.

Which proves the point we don't need it, I'd scrap it completely.

It proves nothing other than de niro's assertion that "you want a baby factory pay for the fucker yourself. of course there would be no baby factories. non of this 11 kids and one on the way shit" is complete bollocks.

no way would these scrotes drop a kid a year without us providing the money. if they didn't get the money they could have 30 kids for me. assuming of course we charge them for schooling and providing health care for the remaining 28.

 

[TangerineSteve17]

Just out of interest, what size telly is it acceptable to have for a man or a couple who are out of work?

 

[The perfect fumble]

do you think that maybe we look at this the wrong way. "benefits" used to be called "Welfare" and were designed to provide a safety net for those that fell ill or were out of work to provide the basic necessities. that doesn't appear to be the case now which is why we get the argument on one hand that there are genuine people being penalized by the system and scroungers sitting in front of 60" TV's

one solution would be to provide some benefits via a debit card that could only be used for agreed items such as food and not for alcohol or cigarettes. as most shoppers use cards to pay there would be no stigma attached and the only way anyone would know is if the card was used to buy unauthorised items.

I am sure there are holes in this but it strikes me that everyone should be able to put food on the table and shouldn't be able to piss benefits away. we assume that everyone is responsible, but they aren't.

Careful mate - the last time I saw this idea get a mention on here, Rascal threw a right fucking wobbler!

They should be sterilised and made to wear electronic tags to prevent them going in to a pub or the bookies. For logistical reasons and to save money it would be preferable if we could round them up and put them in a number of remote locations dotted around the country. Important for PR reasons that when promoting this initiative not to use the word "camps".

 

[M18CTID]

Just out of interest, what size telly is it acceptable to have for a man or a couple who are out of work?

14" black and white portable mate.

 

[Damocles]

Which proves the point we don't need it, I'd scrap it completely.

It proves nothing other than de niro's assertion that "you want a baby factory pay for the fucker yourself. of course there would be no baby factories. non of this 11 kids and one on the way shit" is complete bollocks.

no way would these scrotes drop a kid a year without us providing the money. if they didn't get the money they could have 30 kids for me. assuming of course we charge them for schooling and providing health care for the remaining 28.

Child benefit is £13 a week for every child apart from the first. I'm not sure that that is the key financial strategy of these people.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Just out of interest, what size telly is it acceptable to have for a man or a couple who are out of work?

14" black and white portable mate.

 

[whp.blue]

Just out of interest, what size telly is it acceptable to have for a man or a couple who are out of work?

14" black and white portable mate.

Any size they want as long as the state didn't buy it or do you think the children would be damaged if they don't get to watch sky on the latest HD 3D flatscreen.

 

[The perfect fumble]

It proves nothing other than de niro's assertion that "you want a baby factory pay for the fucker yourself. of course there would be no baby factories. non of this 11 kids and one on the way shit" is complete bollocks.

no way would these scrotes drop a kid a year without us providing the money. if they didn't get the money they could have 30 kids for me. assuming of course we charge them for schooling and providing health care for the remaining 28.

Child benefit is £13 a week for every child apart from the first. I'm not sure that that is the key financial strategy of these people.

I love it when you talk Maslow's hierarchy of needs.