The General Election Thread

[The Northern Baptist]

It proves nothing other than de niro's assertion that "you want a baby factory pay for the fucker yourself. of course there would be no baby factories. non of this 11 kids and one on the way shit" is complete bollocks.

no way would these scrotes drop a kid a year without us providing the money. if they didn't get the money they could have 30 kids for me. assuming of course we charge them for schooling and providing health care for the remaining 28.

Child benefit is £13 a week for every child apart from the first. I'm not sure that that is the key financial strategy of these people.

Child Tax Credit is approx £65 pw per child though for someone out of work.
Someone with say 4 kids would get £65 x 4, £20.50 x 1 and £13.55 x 3 = £320pw approx for 4 kids.

 

[101toMR]

I'm more bothered about Bliar having access to large TVs considering he should be doing porridge right now.
If Wayne & Waynetta have got a huge TV I couldn't muster a shrug.

 

[DelToro]

Which proves the point we don't need it, I'd scrap it completely.

It proves nothing other than de niro's assertion that "you want a baby factory pay for the fucker yourself. of course there would be no baby factories. non of this 11 kids and one on the way shit" is complete bollocks.

no way would these scrotes drop a kid a year without us providing the money. if they didn't get the money they could have 30 kids for me. assuming of course we charge them for schooling and providing health care for the remaining 28.

So you are saying that since benefits were introduced the average size of a family in the UK has increased?

 

[Damocles]

no way would these scrotes drop a kid a year without us providing the money. if they didn't get the money they could have 30 kids for me. assuming of course we charge them for schooling and providing health care for the remaining 28.

Child benefit is £13 a week for every child apart from the first. I'm not sure that that is the key financial strategy of these people.

Child Tax Credit is approx £65 pw per child though for someone out of work.
Someone with say 4 kids would get £65 x 4, £20.50 x 1 and £13.55 x 3 = £320pw approx for 4 kids.

Fair enough, is Child Tax Credit not reduced depending on income and or amount of kids?

 

[The Northern Baptist]

Child benefit is £13 a week for every child apart from the first. I'm not sure that that is the key financial strategy of these people.

Child Tax Credit is approx £65 pw per child though for someone out of work.
Someone with say 4 kids would get £65 x 4, £20.50 x 1 and £13.55 x 3 = £320pw approx for 4 kids.

Fair enough, is Child Tax Credit not reduced depending on income and or amount of kids?

Yeah tax credits will reduce if you are working, but someone who doesn't work and who would be classed as a 'baby factory' would get the full amount, which is around £65pw. Its not like child benefit where you get more for the first child either, same amount for each eligible child.

 

[CityStu]

It proves nothing other than de niro's assertion that "you want a baby factory pay for the fucker yourself. of course there would be no baby factories. non of this 11 kids and one on the way shit" is complete bollocks.

no way would these scrotes drop a kid a year without us providing the money. if they didn't get the money they could have 30 kids for me. assuming of course we charge them for schooling and providing health care for the remaining 28.

So you are saying that since benefits were introduced the average size of a family in the UK has increased?

This would only be a valid argument if the average UK family was a baby farm. It isn't, but those families that are farming kids funded by welfare shouldn't be able to. Help for the first two babies should be sufficient IMO with clauses for twins and triplets, etc.

 

[The perfect fumble]

no way would these scrotes drop a kid a year without us providing the money. if they didn't get the money they could have 30 kids for me. assuming of course we charge them for schooling and providing health care for the remaining 28.

So you are saying that since benefits were introduced the average size of a family in the UK has increased?

This would only be a valid argument if the average UK family was a baby farm. It isn't, but those families that are farming kids funded by welfare shouldn't be able to. Help for the first two babies should be sufficient IMO with clauses for twins and triplets, etc.

So you're happy to punish children, I admire your honesty, if little else.

 

[BigOscar]

Poor people having a shit load of kids is not the result of benefits, it happens everywhere. I really don't think "baby farms" are nearly the problem that some people seem to think they are either, it's just an easy political target.

 

[Rascal]

So you're happy to punish children, I admire your honesty, if little else.

Ironically is the same people who would punish the children and therefore risk a negative birth rate who are against immigration.

YCNMIU

 

[101toMR]

So you're happy to punish children, I admire your honesty, if little else.

Ironically is the same people who would punish the children and therefore risk a negative birth rate who are against immigration.

YCNMIU

Ermmmm not everyone.

 

[Rascal]

So you're happy to punish children, I admire your honesty, if little else.

Ironically is the same people who would punish the children and therefore risk a negative birth rate who are against immigration.

YCNMIU

Ermmmm not everyone.

Sorry Daz

I forgot you love immigration :)

 

[101toMR]

Ironically is the same people who would punish the children and therefore risk a negative birth rate who are against immigration.

YCNMIU

Ermmmm not everyone.

Sorry Daz

I forgot you love immigration :)

George I want controlled immigration.
I couldn't care less how many sprogs people have :-)

 

[kas_tippler]

Benefits and the welfare state breeds lazy people, its a proven fact. The only way to get this country back on its feet is:
Reduce unemployment by spending on infrastructure such as building new motorways
Introduce national service for 18-25 year olds
Increase spending on armed forces
Making sure the country is self sufficient

"spending on infrastructure such as building new motorways"
"Increase spending on armed forces"
You closet socialist you!

Didnt a certain National Socialist encourage similar policies in the early 1930s in Germany?

Sure fire way to get people in employment, strange how some people think of it as socialism and some as far right akin to being Nazi policy. Just shows how you can put a spin on any policies.

 

[Lucky13]

So you are saying that since benefits were introduced the average size of a family in the UK has increased?

This would only be a valid argument if the average UK family was a baby farm. It isn't, but those families that are farming kids funded by welfare shouldn't be able to. Help for the first two babies should be sufficient IMO with clauses for twins and triplets, etc.

So you're happy to punish children, I admire your honesty, if little else.

These benefit monkeys seem to be doing alright.

 

[carlosthejackal]

So you are saying that since benefits were introduced the average size of a family in the UK has increased?

This would only be a valid argument if the average UK family was a baby farm. It isn't, but those families that are farming kids funded by welfare shouldn't be able to. Help for the first two babies should be sufficient IMO with clauses for twins and triplets, etc.

So you're happy to punish children, I admire your honesty, if little else.

And that is the problem , obviously you cannot punish the children and the "parents" for want of a better word know this .

 

[CityStu]

So you are saying that since benefits were introduced the average size of a family in the UK has increased?

This would only be a valid argument if the average UK family was a baby farm. It isn't, but those families that are farming kids funded by welfare shouldn't be able to. Help for the first two babies should be sufficient IMO with clauses for twins and triplets, etc.

So you're happy to punish children, I admire your honesty, if little else.

The children don't produce themselves. Take away the incentive for parents to have them and I bet they miraculously don't get born.

I see your point though and think a good first step with all benefits would be to use a stamp like system whereby they could only be used in exchange for necessary goods. In general, that might be groceries or public transport and child benefit might add stuff like nappies and clothes.

The population in the country is far too high and the result is the strain on the NHS and education that we see at the moment.

 

[whp.blue]

So you're happy to punish children, I admire your honesty, if little else.

Ironically is the same people who would punish the children and therefore risk a negative birth rate who are against immigration.

YCNMIU

how is a negative birth rate any worse than a 1000's of children who grow up with the expectation to spend all their lives on benefits?

they are going to be a drain on the nation and contribute nothing I risk I would be prepared to take

 

[The perfect fumble]

Poor people having a shit load of kids is not the result of benefits, it happens everywhere. I really don't think "baby farms" are nearly the problem that some people seem to think they are either, it's just an easy political target.

Yes, for those happy to peddle ignorance and prejudice.

 

[CityStu]

Poor people having a shit load of kids is not the result of benefits, it happens everywhere. I really don't think "baby farms" are nearly the problem that some people seem to think they are either, it's just an easy political target.

Yes, for those happy to peddle ignorance and prejudice.

I take it you're happy for your taxes to fund these peoples' lifestyles instead of going towards the NHS or schools then?

In a period of such financial pressure, I believe that every possible efficiency should be found and that a lot of those could come from welfare. That absolutely isn't to say that those who are deserving of welfare payouts, such as the disabled, should have them taken off them.

 

[BigOscar]

Poor people having a shit load of kids is not the result of benefits, it happens everywhere. I really don't think "baby farms" are nearly the problem that some people seem to think they are either, it's just an easy political target.

Yes, for those happy to peddle ignorance and prejudice.

I take it you're happy for your taxes to fund these peoples' lifestyles instead of going towards the NHS or schools then?

In a period of such financial pressure, I believe that every possible efficiency should be found and that a lot of those could come from welfare. That absolutely isn't to say that those who are deserving of welfare payouts, such as the disabled, should have them taken off them.

How large an impact do you actually believe "baby farming" has on the nations economy?