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Damocles said:
Rascal said:
Damocles said:
I'm also voting Lib Dem on belief rather than necessity. Labour will win no matter what I do, I'm in Andy Burnham's constituency.

Took the Lib Dem Twitter for my area 6 days to reply to my question on who was even my local candidate. Nobody round here apart from Labour and UKIP have even bothered, UKIP are a million miles off of the seat
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If Labour fail badly, i expect the next leader to be either Burnham or Yvette Cooper. I like Burnham, i like Cooper too.

You not keen on him then?
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I do quite a bit of volunteer work and have met him quite a few times through it to the point of familiarity. He's as genuine as you like, a local lad in both property and education, and is a charming type of guy.

My issue with him is political rather than personal. He voted for greater regulation of the internet after writing me a letter and garnering a reply inferring that he wouldn't. He's also made a few mistakes in the local area in my opinion; politicking for greater amenities in the town as a source of change which makes a bit of sense but our biggest issues are transport links to Manchester and Liverpool which could in turn bring in more of the "green belt brigade" which in turn leads to greater amounts of disposable income in the population.

I'm lucky in that I've got smart enough people around me to understand the need to put money into property but am young enough to see this come to fruition over generations rather than years. My issue with Burnham are various but essentially our property prices are stagnant due to lack of transport links rather than lack of amenities.

That small point aside though, he's an old school socialist who isn't playing to a crowd and truly believes his value system. I'd say that this was one of the things that really cost him in terms of the last Labour leadership debate - he was everything Labour needed but nothing that they wanted, the middle ground between Prescott politically and Blair presentationally.

I'm not voting for him because we differ politically but his sincerity to his beliefs and his desire to get out and do something instead of stagnating can't be faulted. He may have created a white elephant in terms of the Leigh Sports Village but fuck me, at least he's willing to TRY something instead of the status quo.
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It should probably be pointed out that he made this promise previously but broke it in a whipped vote
 
Damocles said:
Damocles said:
Rascal said:
If Labour fail badly, i expect the next leader to be either Burnham or Yvette Cooper. I like Burnham, i like Cooper too.

You not keen on him then?
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I do quite a bit of volunteer work and have met him quite a few times through it to the point of familiarity. He's as genuine as you like, a local lad in both property and education, and is a charming type of guy.

My issue with him is political rather than personal. He voted for greater regulation of the internet after writing me a letter and garnering a reply inferring that he wouldn't. He's also made a few mistakes in the local area in my opinion; politicking for greater amenities in the town as a source of change which makes a bit of sense but our biggest issues are transport links to Manchester and Liverpool which could in turn bring in more of the "green belt brigade" which in turn leads to greater amounts of disposable income in the population.

I'm lucky in that I've got smart enough people around me to understand the need to put money into property but am young enough to see this come to fruition over generations rather than years. My issue with Burnham are various but essentially our property prices are stagnant due to lack of transport links rather than lack of amenities.

That small point aside though, he's an old school socialist who isn't playing to a crowd and truly believes his value system. I'd say that this was one of the things that really cost him in terms of the last Labour leadership debate - he was everything Labour needed but nothing that they wanted, the middle ground between Prescott politically and Blair presentationally.

I'm not voting for him because we differ politically but his sincerity to his beliefs and his desire to get out and do something instead of stagnating can't be faulted. He may have created a white elephant in terms of the Leigh Sports Village but fuck me, at least he's willing to TRY something instead of the status quo.
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It should probably be pointed out that he made this promise previously but broke it in a whipped vote
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ahhh the whip

exactly why our political system is still failing and attracts so little interest

conviction politicians are what we need and all we get are the 'me too' brigade prompted by the whip
 
Balti said:
ahhh the whip

exactly why our political system is still failing and attracts so little interest

conviction politicians are what we need and all we get are the 'me too' brigade prompted by the whip
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Couldn't agree more. My "vote loser" with Andy was that his record is 99.7% with the party or something like that.

I understand that people have to vote with the party sometimes, but that often voting party way makes me think career politician

You can enter your postcode here to compare your MPs voting record and how they voted on certain issues
 
This is his voting record:

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How Andy Burnham voted on Social Issues

Voted moderately for equal gay rights
Voted strongly for smoking bans
Voted very strongly for the hunting ban
Voted strongly for allowing marriage between two people of same sex
Voted a mixture of for and against laws to promote equality and human rights

How Andy Burnham voted on Foreign Policy and Defence

Voted moderately for use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas
Voted very strongly for the Iraq war
Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war
Voted very strongly for replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons system
Voted moderately for more EU integration
Voted moderately against a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU
Voted moderately for strengthening the Military Covenant

How Andy Burnham voted on Welfare and Benefits

Voted strongly against reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax")
Voted very strongly for raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices
Voted strongly for paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
Voted strongly against making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support
Voted strongly against a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
Voted moderately for spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed

How Andy Burnham voted on Taxation and Employment

Voted strongly against raising the threshold at which people start to pay income tax
Voted moderately against increasing the rate of VAT
Voted moderately against higher taxes on alcoholic drinks
Voted moderately against higher taxes on plane tickets
Voted moderately against lower taxes on fuel for motor vehicles
Voted strongly for increasing the tax rate applied to income over £150,000
Voted a mixture of for and against encouraging occupational pensions
Voted moderately for automatic enrolment in occupational pensions
Voted moderately for a banker’s bonus tax
Voted moderately for an annual tax on the value of expensive homes (popularly known as a mansion tax)
Voted strongly against allowing employees to exchange some employment rights for shares in the company they work for

How Andy Burnham voted on Business and the Economy

Voted moderately against reducing the rate of corporation tax
Voted moderately against measures to reduce tax avoidance
Voted a mixture of for and against stronger tax incentives for companies to invest in assets

How Andy Burnham voted on Health #

Voted strongly for restricting the provision of services to private patients by the NHS
Voted very strongly against reforming the NHS so GPs buy services on behalf of their patients
Voted very strongly for introducing foundation hospitals
Voted strongly for smoking bans

How Andy Burnham voted on Education

Voted moderately against greater autonomy for schools
Voted very strongly against raising England’s undergraduate tuition fee cap to £9,000 per year
Voted moderately against academy schools
Voted very strongly against ending financial support for some 16-19 year olds in training and further education
Voted moderately for university tuition fees


How Andy Burnham voted on Constitutional Reform

Voted moderately against reducing central government funding of local government
Voted strongly against an equal number of electors per parliamentary constituency
Voted moderately against fewer MPs in the House of Commons
Voted moderately against a transparent Parliament
Voted a mixture of for and against a more proportional system for electing MPs
Voted very strongly for a wholly elected House of Lords
Voted moderately against local councils keeping money raised from taxes on business premises in their areas
Voted strongly against greater restrictions on campaigning by third parties, such as charities, during elections
Voted moderately against fixed periods between parliamentary elections
Voted moderately for removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords
Voted a mixture of for and against transferring more powers to the Welsh Assembly
Voted a mixture of for and against transferring more powers to the Scottish Parliament
Voted moderately for more powers for local councils

How Andy Burnham voted on Home Affairs

Voted very strongly for a stricter asylum system
Voted very strongly for allowing ministers to intervene in inquests
Voted very strongly for introducing ID cards
Voted moderately against the introduction of elected Police and Crime Commissioners
Voted very strongly for requiring the mass retention of information about communications

How Andy Burnham voted on Miscellaneous Topics


Voted a mixture of for and against greater regulation of gambling
Voted moderately for measures to prevent climate change
Voted very strongly for slowing the rise in rail fares
Voted very strongly against selling England’s state owned forests
Voted moderately against capping civil service redundancy payments
Voted very strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws
Voted very strongly against the privatisation of Royal Mail
Voted moderately for financial incentives for low carbon emission electricity generation methods
Voted moderately for requiring pub companies to offer pub landlords rent-only leases
Voted moderately against restricting the scope of legal aid
Voted moderately against culling badgers to tackle bovine tuberculosis
Voted moderately against allowing national security sensitive evidence to be put before courts in secret sessions
Voted moderately against a statutory register of lobbyists
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I vote on policies and then the voting on those policies. Old fashioned I know but I think it's the best way.

You can find your MP's voting record here
 
Rascal said:
Damocles said:
I'm also voting Lib Dem on belief rather than necessity. Labour will win no matter what I do, I'm in Andy Burnham's constituency.

Took the Lib Dem Twitter for my area 6 days to reply to my question on who was even my local candidate. Nobody round here apart from Labour and UKIP have even bothered, UKIP are a million miles off of the seat
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If Labour fail badly, i expect the next leader to be either Burnham or Yvette Cooper. I like Burnham, i like Cooper too.

You not keen on him then?
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His work as a Health Secretary can only be applauded.

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On the subject of the SNP propping up a Labour government.
The SNP have made Trident a red line issue , demanding that it's scrapped.
The first £1 billion worth of contracts on Trident have already gone out. It is being designed as we speak .
The hangar/workshop at Barrow-in -Furness has already been extended to accomodate and build the new Vanguard class submarines.
So the first thing that Milliband will have to agree to is throwing £1 billion of tax payers money away.
Sounds like another financially sound Labour government.
 
Andy Dale said:
On the subject of the SNP propping up a Labour government.
The SNP have made Trident a red line issue , demanding that it's scrapped.
The first £1 billion worth of contracts on Trident have already gone out. It is being designed as we speak .
The hangar/workshop at Barrow-in -Furness has already been extended to accomodate and build the new Vanguard class submarines.
So the first thing that Milliband will have to agree to is throwing £1 billion of tax payers money away.
Sounds like another financially sound Labour government.
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Labour have already said they wont be going into coalition with the SNP but will work on an issue by issue basis. He wont need the SNP to back him on Trident, the Tories will.
 
The Tories campaign has been distinctly lacklustre so far. They need to win the battle of the manifestos when they are published next week.
 
dannybcity said:
Andy Dale said:
On the subject of the SNP propping up a Labour government.
The SNP have made Trident a red line issue , demanding that it's scrapped.
The first £1 billion worth of contracts on Trident have already gone out. It is being designed as we speak .
The hangar/workshop at Barrow-in -Furness has already been extended to accomodate and build the new Vanguard class submarines.
So the first thing that Milliband will have to agree to is throwing £1 billion of tax payers money away.
Sounds like another financially sound Labour government.
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Labour have already said they wont be going into coalition with the SNP but will work on an issue by issue basis. He wont need the SNP to back him on Trident, the Tories will.
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I cant get my head round how the Fixed Term Parliament law works when it comes to the Queens Speech. What happens if the SNP vote down a Labour Queens Speech that includes Trident?
 
The Tories are rocking and reeling this morning.
Losing the campaign so far and falling behind in the polls they've just pulled another unfunded mañana promise out of the hat - 8bn extra per annum on the NHS by 2020, this in addition to their unfunded tax cuts promise of 7 bn per annum by 2020.
On BBC News , Jeremy Hunt was asked how this extra NHS money was to be found, his reply -by growth in the economy!
The interviewer laid into him quite rightly pointing out that this figure seems to have suddenly just been pulled out of the hat.
Tories in panic - now getting it in the neck on Sky.
PS NHS need to find efficiencies to get this extra 8bn , wonder what that means? Probably they have to save 8bn a year to get the additional 8bn a year!
 
cibaman said:
dannybcity said:
Andy Dale said:
On the subject of the SNP propping up a Labour government.
The SNP have made Trident a red line issue , demanding that it's scrapped.
The first £1 billion worth of contracts on Trident have already gone out. It is being designed as we speak .
The hangar/workshop at Barrow-in -Furness has already been extended to accomodate and build the new Vanguard class submarines.
So the first thing that Milliband will have to agree to is throwing £1 billion of tax payers money away.
Sounds like another financially sound Labour government.
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Labour have already said they wont be going into coalition with the SNP but will work on an issue by issue basis. He wont need the SNP to back him on Trident, the Tories will.
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I cant get my head round how the Fixed Term Parliament law works when it comes to the Queens Speech. What happens if the SNP vote down a Labour Queens Speech that includes Trident?
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In all honesty I've absolutely no idea but I've read that they're not planning to.
 
The perfect fumble said:
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Alan Johnson on Tory lies on the economy
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STANDING OVATION
 
cibaman said:
dannybcity said:
Andy Dale said:
On the subject of the SNP propping up a Labour government.
The SNP have made Trident a red line issue , demanding that it's scrapped.
The first £1 billion worth of contracts on Trident have already gone out. It is being designed as we speak .
The hangar/workshop at Barrow-in -Furness has already been extended to accomodate and build the new Vanguard class submarines.
So the first thing that Milliband will have to agree to is throwing £1 billion of tax payers money away.
Sounds like another financially sound Labour government.
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Labour have already said they wont be going into coalition with the SNP but will work on an issue by issue basis. He wont need the SNP to back him on Trident, the Tories will.
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I cant get my head round how the Fixed Term Parliament law works when it comes to the Queens Speech. What happens if the SNP vote down a Labour Queens Speech that includes Trident?
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In such a circumstance Trident won't be included in the Queen's speech, it doesn't need to be. If/when Trident comes before the Commons, Labour and the Tories will vote it through.
 
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