The Harry and Meghan fuss

William's children would not have been princes until last Thursday according to the old George V rules.

The Queen stepped in upon Prince George's birth to change the old rules and give him the title of prince.

The "row" was why she did this for one grandson and not the other.

You pinning it all on a Royal convention that the Queen tore up 5 years previously isn't a very strong argument.
This isn’t true, you’ve got it mixed up with William’s daughter.

William’s son was always going to be a Prince, as he’s the heir to the throne.

Charlotte wasn’t going to be, because she’s female.

The Queen changed the convention to stop discrimination against female Royals.

She didn’t change it for Harry’s children because it would have grown the Royal Family again, which is something they’ve tried to do the opposite for the last 100 years, for obvious reasons.
 
  • On 22 October 1948, George VI issued letters patent allowing the children of his daughter Princess Elizabeth, Duchess of Edinburgh, and son-in-law Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, to assume princely titles and the style Royal Highness;[11] they would not have been entitled to them ordinarily, as grandchildren in the female line, until their mother ascended the throne as Elizabeth II. Thus her son was styled HRH Prince Charles of Edinburgh until his mother's accession. Otherwise the children would have been styled Earl of Merioneth and Lady Anne Mountbatten, respectively.

  • Elizabeth II issued letters patent, dated 22 February 1957, creating Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, a Prince of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.[12] Prince Philip had been born a Prince of Greece and Denmark, titles he renounced upon going through the naturalisation process, unaware that he was already a British subject by virtue of the Sophia Naturalization Act 1705.
 
Under this protocol, Prince George's siblings - Charlotte and Louis - would not have received the title either.

But in December 2012, the Queen also issued a letter patent which said that all of Prince William's children would be entitled to be princes or princesses and get the HRH title.

More importantly, this was before George was born.
It could have led to the situation where a first born girl was not HRH Princess, but the second born boy would have been HRH Prince.
That was clearly something sensible to offset, and happened around the same time that the UK royal succession was changed to 'first born' from 'first male'.
 
  • On 22 October 1948, George VI issued letters patent allowing the children of his daughter Princess Elizabeth, Duchess of Edinburgh, and son-in-law Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, to assume princely titles and the style Royal Highness;[11] they would not have been entitled to them ordinarily, as grandchildren in the female line, until their mother ascended the throne as Elizabeth II. Thus her son was styled HRH Prince Charles of Edinburgh until his mother's accession. Otherwise the children would have been styled Earl of Merioneth and Lady Anne Mountbatten, respectively.

  • Elizabeth II issued letters patent, dated 22 February 1957, creating Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, a Prince of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.[12] Prince Philip had been born a Prince of Greece and Denmark, titles he renounced upon going through the naturalisation process, unaware that he was already a British subject by virtue of the Sophia Naturalization Act 1705.
George V’s declaration sets out: “The grandchildren of the sons of any such sovereign in the direct male line (save only the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales) shall have and enjoy in all occasions the style and title enjoyed by the children of dukes of this realm.”
As such, Archie will be entitled to the titles when Prince Charles accedes the throne.
George V’s declaration means that only Prince George, as a great-grandson of the monarch down the direct line of succession to the throne, was originally entitled to be a prince, as he is the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales.
 
No, I haven't.

The Royal proclamation of 1917 entitled all children and grandchildren through the male line of the sovereign to be styled as Prince.

George was a great-grandchild and did not come under that.

The Queen changed the rules in 2013 so that all children of the eldest child of the Prince of Wales would also get the title.
The Queen’s change in 2013 meant that the Prince of Wales’ children irrespective of sex, would be HRH
 
I don’t think she necessarily did. You are the one claiming that.
@oldius claimed it to.

If you don’t think she did that you’re lying to yourself.

When asked if Archie was snubbed due to race, her answer was that conversations about titles and his skin colour were in tandem.

It’s pretty obvious what she wanted people to know.
 
The Queen’s change in 2013 meant that the Prince of Wales’ children irrespective of sex, would be HRH

It meant all of them would be HRH.

If she just wanted to get rid of the bit about sex she would have changed this one word only "save only the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales"

If it was about gender equality that word would have been changed to "child".

But it was about making her great-grandchildren princes and princesses, and in doing so she ripped up King George's convention and expanded the Royal Family, which rubbishes any claim she couldn't have done the same for Harry's kids.
 
@oldius claimed it to.

If you don’t think she did that you’re lying to yourself.

When asked if Archie was snubbed due to race, her answer was that conversations about titles and his skin colour were in tandem.

It’s pretty obvious what she wanted people to know.
No, I’m saying that you can‘t prove that she implied it. You can argue it, but cannot categorically claim she has done so.

Lots of papers and clicks have been sold based on your insinuation though and clouded a lot of peoples’ judgements.
 

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