The idiocy (and selfishness) of panic buying

I wonder if somehow there could be a way of giving tax breaks/reductions to companies that pay their staff over a certain percentage of their turnover.

(I recognise the rags would never pay tax with that system, but they hide their money in the Cayman Islands anyway.)
 
I wonder if somehow there could be a way of giving tax breaks/reductions to companies that pay their staff over a certain percentage of their turnover.

(I recognise the rags would never pay tax with that system, but they hide their money in the Cayman Islands anyway.)
And that is the issue with globalisation. Amazon, Google and the rags all pay what they have too according to UK law. They all argue that their main money is made abroad and therefore not subject to UK tax.
To keep this on topic, when we were in the e.u Eddie Stobart moved his business to Europe so that he could pay less tax. Now that we are an island again your idea could work. UK businesses that do what you suggest get rewarded.
What I will saybis there us novelty answer.
 
Absolutely, but if supermarket staff can’t afford to live on their wage, then they either starve or change jobs.

Increasing supermarket workers wages on top of lorry drivers wages means food costs will likely increase more.

Then there’s carers on minimum wage that can’t afford these even higher prices.

I’m not trying to stop HGV drivers getting a deserved rise, I’m just trying to outline the issues we’d have if we inflate part of the jobs market.

I don’t have the answer. If I did, I’d probably be overpaid for my work ;-)
You make a very valid point about care workers. I have never understood why we expect our loved ones to be cared for but do not want or expect the people doing the caring to be reasonably rewarded.
If you give the carers poor work conditions and poor pay the main ones that suffer are your mam or dad.
 
And that is the issue with globalisation. Amazon, Google and the rags all pay what they have too according to UK law. They all argue that their main money is made abroad and therefore not subject to UK tax.
To keep this on topic, when we were in the e.u Eddie Stobart moved his business to Europe so that he could pay less tax. Now that we are an island again your idea could work. UK businesses that do what you suggest get rewarded.
What I will saybis there us novelty answer.
We’d get the tax back through the staff spending more.

I’m merely thinking aloud.

Think we’ve said as much as we can and thank you for having a rational conversation once you realised I am not a gruel salesman.
 
Some people may call me selfish. I had half a tank need a full tank for Friday for my holiday to Cornwall. I havent seen a garage with fuel all week. That must be around 10 garages aday I pass though work, all empty.

Went out last night to fill up to make sure I could get to Cornwall and the four days of work next week.
First 4 garages no fuel, 5th garage tanker just turn up and I was first in the que. This was about 8pm. Within in seconds on me stopping the que grew quickly. Now my son text me at 7 am to say he is stuck in the same que as I was in last night. He doesnt need fuel but cant get passed to go to work.

I saw one poor bloke run out of fuel about 100 yds from a petrol station by some traffic lights, he had to get out and push. Unfortunately the garage didnt have fuel.

I normally wouldn't have got fuel yesterday but I perhaps selfishly wanted to make sure I could go on holiday.
Why is it selfish, you have a need for fuel, so just go and buy it. There is no fuel shortage, just a problem in the supply chain. Don’t feel guilty, covid times have been shit, enjoy your holiday, you deserve it without any guilt attached to it
 
Every time the minimum wage goes up, everyone in that sector gets a pay raise and usually prices have to go up soon after to cover the increase costs. Does that mean we should scrap the minimum wage to keep prices down to stop people going hungry ?
I wouldn't agree that most people are underpaid but there are a fair few jobs that should be paid more.
Some train drivers are on 70k a year, I would say that is overpaid.
Why is that overpaid. They are skilled at what they do. They have the responsibility for hundreds of peoples lives to get them to their destination safely. Seems a fair rate to me.
 
Why is that overpaid. They are skilled at what they do. They have the responsibility for hundreds of peoples lives to get them to their destination safely. Seems a fair rate to me.
It is my understanding that it is mainly automated these days with little chance much could go wrong (unless they fall asleep)
Perhaps I should have said tube drivers, apparently those things are as good as automated and only a very good union stop it happening.
Compared to other industries 70 k seems a lot.
 
Bore off mate.

British HGV drivers wages are going up, and will stay there with the absence of foreign drivers from the EU over the coming years creating a downward pressure on wages.

This short term crisis will benefit British workers in the longterm, and will help secure lots of people stable longterm careers. I have friends made recently redundant that are now getting into the industry.

I thought your ilk were all about the workers and being the voice of the working class?

I'm no Tory, but Labour would have foreign HGV drivers here indefinitely and a great opportunity to upskill British workers would be lost forever. As is, it can't be changed overnight so a lot of foreign workers will benefit in the short term, longterm British workers will benefit. A lot already are.

Party points scoring embarrassment some of your posts. You have socialist views/principles or you don't.

A skilled 30k-50k job for an average worker, without a uni education and/or the benefits of middle class networking/nepotism/favours, is something that's well out of reach for most ordinary working class people. Something like this offers a real opportunity of social mobility for a lot of people, and all you care for is wanking over your party politics derby. Boring, and wholly embarrassing.

I don't regret voting out, and would do it again tomorrow. Cheers.

The post you are referring to cites labour shortages in the poultry industry which has led to a shortfall of 1m turkeys.

A turkey is a large domesticated game bird native to North America and is not to be confused with a truck driver, a person hired to drive long distances from the place of pickup to the place of delivery.

I can comment on the social mobility advantages of working on a poultry farm as I did a holiday job turkey plucking. Trust me, they’re shit, but I picked up a lasting respect for the people who did it full time and would be more than happy to see them awarded a pay rise. Or at least not have their UC cut, energy costs whacked through the roof or taxes raised.
 
It is my understanding that it is mainly automated these days with little chance much could go wrong (unless they fall asleep)
Perhaps I should have said tube drivers, apparently those things are as good as automated and only a very good union stop it happening.
Compared to other industries 70 k seems a lot.
I guess they’re in the pilot class of job. They’re paid for what they might need to do, not what they don’t have to do.
 
You're assuming he lives within 40 miles or less from a refinery other than that Morrison's in Duky had shitloads yesterday. :-)
I filled up in Asda Ashton on Friday. No queues, no limits. I put £48 worth in, then did my shopping as usual. Should keep me going in October/November. I did notice that it had gone up 2p/litre since I last filled up there - now £1.32.7. A woman opposite me put in a fiver's worth!
 
I filled up in Asda Ashton on Friday. No queues, no limits. I put £48 worth in, then did my shopping as usual. Should keep me going in October/November. I did notice that it had gone up 2p/litre since I last filled up there - now £1.32.7. A woman opposite me put in a fiver's worth!
And your last line is what this thread was meant to be about, not Brexit. Stupid people. She presumably saw no queue and decided to 'top up'. but that gas a huge knock on effect. What a selfish stupid person.
 
And your last line is what this thread was meant to be about, not Brexit. Stupid people. She presumably saw no queue and decided to 'top up'. but that gas a huge knock on effect. What a selfish stupid person.
Exactly. She came in after me, left before me, and drove straight out of the store to be on her busy little way.
Moron.
 
And your last line is what this thread was meant to be about, not Brexit. Stupid people. She presumably saw no queue and decided to 'top up'. but that gas a huge knock on effect. What a selfish stupid person.

My local garage put a £40 maximum limit on the other day. I did say to them I thought they should have done a £20 minimum limit too or instead. Be interested to see the difference in the queueing if they had.
 
It is my understanding that it is mainly automated these days with little chance much could go wrong (unless they fall asleep)
Perhaps I should have said tube drivers, apparently those things are as good as automated and only a very good union stop it happening.
Compared to other industries 70 k seems a lot.

Commercial aircraft are automated to a large degree too. Which is fine under normal circumstances, until something goes wrong and needs the input of a highly trained human with complex specialist skills.

At which point their “overpaid” salary looks like a bargain doesn’t it.

Same thing with train drivers.
 
And your last line is what this thread was meant to be about, not Brexit. Stupid people. She presumably saw no queue and decided to 'top up'. but that gas a huge knock on effect. What a selfish stupid person.

Or maybe that is all she could afford before pay day but still needed to get to work to do her last shift of the month. Glass houses. If there was no queue, hardly a big contribution to the panic.
 
I'm going to panic buy half a tank of diesel on Friday or maybe next week depending on how many miles I do this week. Is it possible to find out which garages have both petrol and diesel before joining the queue?
 
And your last line is what this thread was meant to be about, not Brexit. Stupid people. She presumably saw no queue and decided to 'top up'. but that gas a huge knock on effect. What a selfish stupid person.

How do you know she didn't also call in for a new UK sticker for her car?

:)
 
How do you know she didn't also call in for a new UK sticker for her car?

:)
You say that jokingly but that us a disgrace. As far as I understand it that is nothing to do with the e.u. demanding it just that we have decided we don't want GB stickers number plates we want UK. Unneeded expense. That one baffles me
 
You say that jokingly but that us a disgrace. As far as I understand it that is nothing to do with the e.u. demanding it just that we have decided we don't want GB stickers number plates we want UK. Unneeded expense. That one baffles me

Not directly but a knock-on effect of leaving probably.

We didn't really care about Northern Ireland as much as some politicians have tried to claim they do since, hence you get silly measures like this.

 
How do you know she didn't also call in for a new UK sticker for her car?

:)
Because it sells petrol/diesel only, and you pay for it at the pump via credit/debit cards. As I said earlier, she drove in, put £5 worth of fuel in, and drove back out again. The store does sell items as you have described, but she didn't go into the store car park.
 

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