The Independent Group

Didsbury Dave said:
I've just been on their website to donate and found that the link to the donate section doesn't work. Now that is piss fucking poor!
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The collection box at the local branch looks iffy too ..
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I like how all 3 tories have wore blue, we may have left, but we know what we are in our hearts.

Several times they were asked would they vote in line with governent on non brexit issues and are dodging the answers.

Soubry believes the austerity measures tgat have fucked the country were and still are right.

So 2 or the ex Labour MPs at least represent some of the hardest hit ares in austerity and stand smiling with people who believe in it.

I understand if I felt I couldn't stay in my party because of bullying and feeling that I am not welcome or my brexit stance, but I could never stand side by side with those 3
 
Didsbury Dave said:
I cant find a link for the independent group. I also donated to that billboard group, Ledbydonkeys, who have done a good job.

It feels like the least I can do is offer financial support to anyone fighting the fight for me.

I've also written twice to my MP, who is very pro-Remain. Incidentally, the only time I ever wrote to MCFC was when they appointed Alan Ball and I warned them how much I believed it would hurt the club. This feels like the political equivalent ;-)
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https://www.theindependent.group/

Ledbydonkeys are doing great work.

I wrote to my former MP Andrew Gwynne - Labour Front bench yet not a momentum type. Told him in no uncertain terms what i thought of Cobyn's brexit proposition and general direction of the party. I pointed out he has never spoken out on brexit in any way yet regularly tweets about Bus Timetabling! I suggested he needs to consider the national priorities! Was surprised to get an email back within a couple of hours which led me to believe it was most likely a lacky in an office somewhere as the turnaround was in the middle of a busy day in Parliament (a Wednesday i think so PMQs among other things that day). Knowing him as i do he is a remainer who is toeing party line and serving a seat that voted 60% leave! People like him will drive Labour into the abyss.

My current MP is Ann Coffey, No need to write to her but i have tweeted my support.
 
urban genie said:
I like how all 3 tories have wore blue, we may have left, but we know what we are in our hearts.

Several times they were asked would they vote in line with governent on non brexit issues and are dodging the answers.

Soubry believes the austerity measures tgat have fucked the country were and still are right.

So 2 or the ex Labour MPs at least represent some of the hardest hit ares in austerity and stand smiling with people who believe in it.

I understand if I felt I couldn't stay in my party because of bullying and feeling that I am not welcome or my brexit stance, but I could never stand side by side with those 3
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If you believe that Brexit will make austerity 10x worse the you cant stay in Labour or Cons! It is that simple. All of this is subject to how you feel about brexit, if like circa 16m you think it will be a disaster then that issue overrides the traditional tax and spend arguments that have separated the two parties.
 
urban genie said:
I like how all 3 tories have wore blue, we may have left, but we know what we are in our hearts.

Several times they were asked would they vote in line with governent on non brexit issues and are dodging the answers.

Soubry believes the austerity measures tgat have fucked the country were and still are right.

So 2 or the ex Labour MPs at least represent some of the hardest hit ares in austerity and stand smiling with people who believe in it.

I understand if I felt I couldn't stay in my party because of bullying and feeling that I am not welcome or my brexit stance, but I could never stand side by side with those 3
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Anyone feel a Macronesque movement coming? Promising us the earth and when elected they say, "No. not really!" And we're in pepertual riot mode.
 
Gaudion M said:
If you believe that Brexit will make austerity 10x worse the you cant stay in Labour or Cons! It is that simple. All of this is subject to how you feel about brexit, if like circa 16m you think it will be a disaster then that issue overrides the traditional tax and spend arguments that have separated the two parties.
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Brexit is gonna be a complete shitstorm and no deal terrible, but when it does happen, which it will unfortunately and these have nothing to offer after this protest move is over, they will have to look at what they stand for, and sorry if you are a centre left social democrat as the ex lab lot claim you have fuck all in common with Ann Soubry, Allen and wollaston.

Maybe we should abolish party politics and have every MP be independant and vote on their beliefs, form governments of coalition etc.

I see after the first initial nicely nicely responses, the attacks and slagging has started calling them out and calls for them to stand in bye elections.

Only peopel I am now seeing are the dicks who put FBPE at the end of their name, as partizan and cranky as the cobynistas and hard brexitiers.

We now have 3 grouos of idiots with a voice rather than 2, that's all
 
The perfect fumble said:
Yeah, that shameful Momentum march through London chanting "the Jew will not replace us", the socialist graffiti on Jewish graves, gangs of Labour supporters attacking Jewish people, homes, businesses and places of worship, the raft of anti-Semitic Labour policies on everything from Jewish Schools to Kosher meat.

Yeah, except none of that exists.
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Apart from the 673 members investigated over antisemitism since April last year, of which the majority are either still under investigation or have had some action taken against them.

And when I said people doubted these figures, let's remember these only date back to April 2018. Jennie Formby said she couldn't provide figures prior to that as the process to record them wasn't in place. Yet her predecessor said that wasn't true. Margaret Hodge has also reported over 200 cases alone. Formby has had an absolute battering over this from the PLP yet has basically told them to mind their own business as she doesn't report to them.

Now you'd think, if Corbyn was genuinely concerned about even a small percentage of his members being proven to be antisemitic, he'd be publicly supporting people like Luciana Berger (who is Manny Shinwell's great niece) and screaming "Not in my name" at every available opportunity. Yet he's completely distanced himself from her, never once appearing on a platform with her, or the others affected. He's failed to tell McCluskey to keep his stupid, big mouth shut. His little stormtroopers like Williamson are still doing what they've done for a while. The Jewish chair of Young Labour is having to publicly distance herself from tweets put out from one of her executive (who's also on the NEC).

Even worse, there was a tweet or quote from the head of the JLC saying he's been told, off the record, by a senior Labour Party official that the leadership weren't bothered about the accusations and in fact even welcomed them as it played well with a significant part of the electorate. I'll try and find it for you.

If Jews were lined up on the ramps at Auschwitz being told to go left for the gas chambers, you and your ilk would still be claiming that it's not antisemitism, they're just Blairites.
 
urban genie said:
I like how all 3 tories have wore blue, we may have left, but we know what we are in our hearts.

Several times they were asked would they vote in line with governent on non brexit issues and are dodging the answers.

Soubry believes the austerity measures tgat have fucked the country were and still are right.

So 2 or the ex Labour MPs at least represent some of the hardest hit ares in austerity and stand smiling with people who believe in it.

I understand if I felt I couldn't stay in my party because of bullying and feeling that I am not welcome or my brexit stance, but I could never stand side by side with those 3
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But Anna Soubry has a point. The post 2008 financial crisis was dumped on us and as a nation we had to respond to it. Austerity was undoubtedly painful and to my mind too much of the burden was borne by those least able to afford it. However the one thing we can all agree on is that the financial crisis needed to be dealt with. To that extent she is right about austerity even though that is not to say that there were not other ways it could also have been dealt with. They may have hurt less but taken longer. So what is worse, something that hurts twice as much for half as long, or something that hurts half as much for twice as long?

The difference between austerity and brexit is that the financial crisis was visited upon us as a nation. Brexit is an act of national self harm, and coming as it does on the back of austerity, driven as Brexit is by fairy stories of swashbuckling free trade deals, lies about sovereignty and immigration, and scare stories about European Armies and federalism, I have nothing but gratitude for all who oppose it.

Anna Soubry is doing much much more to protect working families than Jeremy Corbyn.
 
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