The IRA

[mammutly]

As the official UK military enquiry into the British campaign post 1980 concluded that the IRA were an effective, determined, well organised, and resilient force, I can only assume the authors of that report were also 'pricks praising the IRA'

No, because nowhere in that report, does it state that the provos were worthy of respect. prick

Worthy?

You have twice called me a prick now.


You can bet that the soldiers who were foot patrolling in South Armagh during the 70's. 80's and early 90's had respect for their enemy. Enough respect to stop walking around and go everywhere by helicoptor anyway.

 

[Ducado]

As the official UK military enquiry into the British campaign post 1980 concluded that the IRA were an effective, determined, well organised, and resilient force, I can only assume the authors of that report were also 'pricks praising the IRA'

No, because nowhere in that report, does it state that the provos were worthy of respect. prick

Worthy?

You have twice called me a prick now.


You can bet that the soldiers who were foot patrolling in South Armagh during the 70's. 80's and early 90's had respect for their enemy. Enough respect to stop walking around and go everywhere by helicoptor anyway.

Your like someone who constantly hits himself on the head with a hammer and then complains you have a headache!

Do you not understand the word "sensitivity" what reaction did you think you would get? You either as numb as a box of spanners or just an insensitive fool!

 

[MCFCinUSA]

So to summarise, you guys feel that all historic incidents, on both sides are still worth discussion/debate/arguing over as we strive to move forward?

Some of the responses on this thread have shocked me to be honest.

Let me just catagorically state before I begin that I am not comparing anything to anything here. Really I'm not. I'm not saying one is the same as the other, or better or worse. They are entirely different things. Yet I am about to write them to illustrate why I think the OP has possibly just produced the most stupid and obvious point since I found out about this forum. Obvious because his point is....well, fucking duh. And stupid because of the needless offense he knew he might cause to fellow blues.

Here goes......say what you like about the Yorkshire Ripper but its incredible really that he managed to avoid capture for so long. A bad man sure but there's no doubt he was very talented at being a serial killer.

The Nazis....how did one country do that?! Fair play to them. Credit where its due. Some of the things they did were way ahead of their time.

Breivik....a sick indivual but it was quite ingenius how he used the bomb to distract the police and then disguised himself as a police officer in order to be let onto the island with weaponary. People will be just remembering him for the bloodshed no doubt but its worth pointing out the method to the madness.

interesting thread to read - and clearly a 'no win' for anyone on this subject area in general, especially for those who have been caught up in anything like this no matter which side they've suffered (and I'm talking about the victims of violence - not the perpetrators of it)

yeah, but LT's response was shockingly funny in addition to being the coup de gras

 

[tueartsboots]

As the official UK military enquiry into the British campaign post 1980 concluded that the IRA were an effective, determined, well organised, and resilient force, I can only assume the authors of that report were also 'pricks praising the IRA'

No, because nowhere in that report, does it state that the provos were worthy of respect. prick

Worthy?

You have twice called me a prick now.


You can bet that the soldiers who were foot patrolling in South Armagh during the 70's. 80's and early 90's had respect for their enemy. Enough respect to stop walking around and go everywhere by helicoptor anyway.

That wasn't respect just common bloody sense. I wasn't going to get heavy into this BUT now you have said this....
The IRA used to set booby traps, akin to IEDS in the Stan, army called them "come ons" You mentioned Warrenpoint, do you know they set a fertilser bomb on a trailer of hay, with a hard wire trigger from across the river (Southern Ireland) and set another bomb across the road underground behind a wall as it was obvious that the army (if left alive) would re group there.
I agree their knowledge and anticipation of troup reactions was second to none but do you realise many of the IRA QMs (Quarter Masters) and trainers were ex BRITISH ARMY.

 

[mackenzie]

I think one of the most telling things on this thread is how most of our Irish posters just want to leave the past behind and get on with the future.
I guess that's the difference between reading things and actually living through the experiences.

 

[law74]

As the official UK military enquiry into the British campaign post 1980 concluded that the IRA were an effective, determined, well organised, and resilient force, I can only assume the authors of that report were also 'pricks praising the IRA'

No, because nowhere in that report, does it state that the provos were worthy of respect. prick

Worthy?

You have twice called me a prick now.


You can bet that the soldiers who were foot patrolling in South Armagh during the 70's. 80's and early 90's had respect for their enemy. Enough respect to stop walking around and go everywhere by helicoptor anyway.

Seen this thread a couple of days ago and decided not to get involved, but as I probably know more and have more first hand experience of the events that most if not all other members on Bluemoon, i will give my response.

I have grown up with the "troubles" I have been woken in the middle of the night by gunshots from about 200 yards away, i have had friends murdered by paramilitary scum (on both sides), I have attended funerals of friends and friends fathers murdered by said scum, I have been targeted in the past by said scum from one side, I have been verbally and physically abused by said scum from the other side, a bloke i used to work with and enjoy his comapny on a night out, now has no legs, and a couple of digits missing in his hands, another ex-colleague has his footballing career finished as he has also lost a leg due to these "brave warriors" that attached under car booby traps.

And you expect me to RESPECT THEM?
I have a hell of a lot more respect for gary chuckle than I ever have or will have for ANY CNUT that destroyed my childhood.

 

[tueartsboots]

I think one of the most telling things on this thread is how most of our Irish posters just want to leave the past behind and get on with the future.
I guess that's the difference between reading things and actually living through the experiences.

Quality post.

 

[blueinsa]

No, because nowhere in that report, does it state that the provos were worthy of respect. prick

Worthy?

You have twice called me a prick now.


You can bet that the soldiers who were foot patrolling in South Armagh during the 70's. 80's and early 90's had respect for their enemy. Enough respect to stop walking around and go everywhere by helicoptor anyway.

That wasn't respect just common bloody sense. I wasn't going to get heavy into this BUT now you have said this....
The IRA used to set booby traps, akin to IEDS in the Stan, army called them "come ons" You mentioned Warrenpoint, do you know they set a fertilser bomb on a trailer of hay, with a hard wire trigger from across the river (Southern Ireland) and set another bomb across the road underground behind a wall as it was obvious that the army (if left alive) would re group there.
I agree their knowledge and anticipation of troup reactions was second to none but do you realise many of the IRA QMs (Quarter Masters) and trainers were ex BRITISH ARMY.

What he also fails to recognise is the fact that the British Army knew full well who the major players were at all times and had it not been for the fact that for the vast majority of times they were doing the job with one hand tied behind their backs so to speak, many of the provo's wouldn't have been walking the streets and certainly would have been unable to plant their bombs.

There was no respect, rather a frustration of seeing faces day in day out that you knew were terrorists yet you were unable to do anything about it.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I think one of the most telling things on this thread is how most of our Irish posters just want to leave the past behind and get on with the future.
I guess that's the difference between reading things and actually living through the experiences.

Quality post.

Completely agree

 

[mammutly]

No, because nowhere in that report, does it state that the provos were worthy of respect. prick

Worthy?

You have twice called me a prick now.


You can bet that the soldiers who were foot patrolling in South Armagh during the 70's. 80's and early 90's had respect for their enemy. Enough respect to stop walking around and go everywhere by helicoptor anyway.

Your like someone who constantly hits himself on the head with a hammer and then complains you have a headache!

Do you not understand the word "sensitivity" what reaction did you think you would get? You either as numb as a box of spanners or just an insensitive fool!

I am neither.

You have spouted some rubbish on this thread, which I can only assume you made up to bolster your prejudical opinions. If that somehow gains you more staus with the majority, and your happy with that, then I feel sorry for you.

Me? I'll stick to to the facts.<br /><br />-- Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:30 pm --<br /><br />

Worthy?

You have twice called me a prick now.


You can bet that the soldiers who were foot patrolling in South Armagh during the 70's. 80's and early 90's had respect for their enemy. Enough respect to stop walking around and go everywhere by helicoptor anyway.

That wasn't respect just common bloody sense. I wasn't going to get heavy into this BUT now you have said this....
The IRA used to set booby traps, akin to IEDS in the Stan, army called them "come ons" You mentioned Warrenpoint, do you know they set a fertilser bomb on a trailer of hay, with a hard wire trigger from across the river (Southern Ireland) and set another bomb across the road underground behind a wall as it was obvious that the army (if left alive) would re group there.
I agree their knowledge and anticipation of troup reactions was second to none but do you realise many of the IRA QMs (Quarter Masters) and trainers were ex BRITISH ARMY.

What he also fails to recognise is the fact that the British Army knew full well who the major players were at all times and had it not been for the fact that for the vast majority of times they were doing the job with one hand tied behind their backs so to speak, many of the provo's wouldn't have been walking the streets and certainly would have been unable to plant their bombs.

There was no respect, rather a frustration of seeing faces day in day out that you knew were terrorists yet you were unable to do anything about it.

I am sick of hearing this. It's a complete myth.