"The Keeper"

Ha hah ha , believe it or not there a good number of Blues here, mostly season card holders of many years standing, maybe some must have missed the bus back!! For many years the York fans dined out on that day, however it was our darkest hour but within a week or two we were on our way back.
 
All the way to pick up my City mad 12 year old grandson...5 miles.
Off to the cinema...3 miles.
Cnuts wouldn't let him in.
Why on earth is a film about football a 15 ?
And there was not a chance we was watching Dumbo.
 
Turks Head Again said:
All the way to pick up my City mad 12 year old grandson...5 miles.
Off to the cinema...3 miles.
Cnuts wouldn't let him in.
Why on earth is a film about football a 15 ?
And there was not a chance we was watching Dumbo.
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Well that actually has a football connection as well as Ed Woodward is named after him now ;-)
 
I was in a very strange position of watching a film where I knew four of the central characters. This might make me rather hyper-critical when judging. We saw it last Friday at the Cameo in Edinburgh.

The film was excellent although they did take a few minor liberties with the chronology, presumably for dramatic effect. It certainly brought back memories of the era even though I had not watched City at that stage other than the two cup final appearances in 1955 and 1956. The shots of Maine Road were very realistic. I don't know how they managed to recreate the visuals.

Jack Friar was a drinking and golfing pal of my dad's and I knew him and his wife Clarice well over a period of time up to his death albeit from few years after the period of the film. John Henshaw gave an excellent performance but it wasn't quite the Jack I knew. The physical resemblance was good but the accent wasn't quite right (too Lancashire when it should have been more Cheshire).

I first met Bert when I was at Queens Road Primary School in Cheadle Hulme. My mother worked in a greengrocers' shop on Cheadle Road and Bert was a regular customer around the time of his cup final appearances. She got me an autograph. I met him at the shop he was still wearing the neck brace after his accident. Later I saw him play for City for the last couple of seasons of his career. Subsequently I encountered him and Margaret several times as guests of Jack and Clarice at Social Events at Davenport Golf Club. David Kross was superb as Trautmann and was exactly how I remembered him in appearance and accent.

Top notch film and very much recommended.
 
Went to see this film today with my wife and a couple of friends.
As a City fan I loved it (spoiler alert: Blue Moon gets an outing) and the non football fans amongst us thought it was a brilliant film.

I’d definitely recommend it if you get a chance. It’s a film that’s funny, sad, tragic and hopeful all at once - well worth a couple of hours of your time
 
Bayblue said:
Went to see this film today with my wife and a couple of friends.
As a City fan I loved it (spoiler alert: Blue Moon gets an outing) and the non football fans amongst us thought it was a brilliant film.

I’d definitely recommend it if you get a chance. It’s a film that’s funny, sad, tragic and hopeful all at once - well worth a couple of hours of your time
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I saw it as well today. Much of it probably involved a lot of poetic licence but we loved it. Had to laugh at a couple of bits though for various reasons. They showed the rabbi watching the 1956 final on TV but it would have been on a Saturday & there’s just no way any rabbi would watch TV on a Saturday.

And when Bert first joined City, they showed the team coach going through a hostile crowd with them banging on the side. And where were we playing? Anfield of course. I did wonder if that was done as an in-joke, particularly as we’d played there after Bert signed but before he’d started a game for us. So I doubt he’d have been on the coach that day.
 
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Prestwich_Blue said:
I saw it as well today. Much of it probably involved a lot of poetic licence but we loved it. Had to laugh at a couple of bits though for various reasons. They showed the rabbi watching the 1956 final on TV but it would have been on a Saturday & there’s just no way any rabbi would watch TV on a Saturday.
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I wouldn't be totally sure about that unless he was from a very Orthodox branch. My father-in-law used to tell anecdotes about the Orthodox who would not even switch a light or oven on during Saturday. They would listen to the radio on Saturday but would switch it on on Friday night! Much the same with cooking. The food for Saturday would be prepared on Friday and slow cooked overnight. Alexander Altmann was working for the Institute of Jewish Studies, presumably in London, by the time of the 1956 Final. He founded ithe Institute in 1953 and facilitated it to join University College London on his departure to Brandeis University in Massachusetts in 1959.

Prestwich_Blue said:
And when Bert first joined City, they showed the team coach going through a hostile crowd with them banging on the side. And where were we playing? Anfield of course. I did wonder if that was done as an in-joke, particularly as we’d played there after Bert signed but before he’d started a game for us. So I doubt he’d have been on the coach that day.
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I noticed one or two inconsistencies. His first match was shown as being against Arsenal (a 2-0 home defeat). The records show his debut as being in a 3-0 home defeat to Bolton. Also it suggested that his marriage was before signing for City when it appeared to be in 1950 after his signature in 1949.
 
JGL07 said:
I wouldn't be totally sure about that unless he was from a very Orthodox branch. My father-in-law used to tell anecdotes about the Orthodox who would not even switch a light or oven on during Saturday. They would listen to the radio on Saturday but would switch it on on Friday night! Much the same with cooking. The food for Saturday would be prepared on Friday and slow cooked overnight. Alexander Altmann was working for the Institute of Jewish Studies, presumably in London, by the time of the 1956 Final. He founded ithe Institute in 1953 and facilitated it to join University College London on his departure to Brandeis University in Massachusetts in 1959.


I noticed one or two inconsistencies. His first match was shown as being against Arsenal (a 2-0 home defeat). The records show his debut as being in a 3-0 home defeat to Bolton. Also it suggested that his marriage was before signing for City when it appeared to be in 1950 after his signature in 1949.
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There were quite a lot of inaccuracies but they didn't really detract from the film. I went to a talk Gary James gave at Castleton OSC and he talked about his battles with the crew over accuracy. He lost most of those but he did win the one about the FA Cup Final being at Wembley and not Maine Road.

That Sgt Smythe was a completely fictional character and in reality Bert got on very well with the CO commanding the camp, Lt Col Glendenning, who was quite tolerant with the POW's. There's a story that despite them being under curfew, they used to sneak out to pubs and dances and Glendenning told them off, not for doing that but for being too noisy when they were sneaking in past his quarters. Another one has Glendenning coming back from a night out in a shared taxi, the passengers including one of the POW's. Glendenning recognised him, chucked him out of the front seat into the back and paid his fare.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
There were quite a lot of inaccuracies but they didn't really detract from the film. I went to a talk Gary James gave at Castleton OSC and he talked about his battles with the crew over accuracy. He lost most of those but he did win the one about the FA Cup Final being at Wembley and not Maine Road.

That Sgt Smythe was a completely fictional character and in reality Bert got on very well with the CO commanding the camp, Lt Col Glendenning, who was quite tolerant with the POW's. There's a story that despite them being under curfew, they used to sneak out to pubs and dances and Glendenning told them off, not for doing that but for being too noisy when they were sneaking in past his quarters. Another one has Glendenning coming back from a night out in a shared taxi, the passengers including one of the POW's. Glendenning recognised him, chucked him out of the front seat into the back and paid his fare.
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It is always frustrating when you are too close to a film knowledge wise to watch it knowing little inacurracies are in there that the majority of viewers wouldnt know or even care about.
I watched that recent Morrissey biopic (i know i know i have dropped Moz into a Bert thread!) and little things like he lived in a semi on Kings Road and as you look at it he lived on the right side house. The film showed the left hand side house.
There was a Q&A with the producer and someone picked up on it and he replied that they could only film that day / morning and the sun was in the wrong place to film the correct side so they had to film it from a different angle using the wrong house...
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
It is always frustrating when you are too close to a film knowledge wise to watch it knowing little inacurracies are in there that the majority of viewers wouldnt know or even care about.
I watched that recent Morrissey biopic (i know i know i have dropped Moz into a Bert thread!) and little things like he lived in a semi on Kings Road and as you look at it he lived on the right side house. The film showed the left hand side house.
There was a Q&A with the producer and someone picked up on it and he replied that they could only film that day / morning and the sun was in the wrong place to film the correct side so they had to film it from a different angle using the wrong house...
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I watched the film "Philomena" and Steve Coogan was rightly praised for his performance as Martin Sixsmith. But having been at school with Martin and seen him in the last few years, I knew he hadn't quite got him 100% right.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
There were quite a lot of inaccuracies but they didn't really detract from the film. I went to a talk Gary James gave at Castleton OSC and he talked about his battles with the crew over accuracy. He lost most of those but he did win the one about the FA Cup Final being at Wembley and not Maine Road.

That Sgt Smythe was a completely fictional character and in reality Bert got on very well with the CO commanding the camp, Lt Col Glendenning, who was quite tolerant with the POW's. There's a story that despite them being under curfew, they used to sneak out to pubs and dances and Glendenning told them off, not for doing that but for being too noisy when they were sneaking in past his quarters. Another one has Glendenning coming back from a night out in a shared taxi, the passengers including one of the POW's. Glendenning recognised him, chucked him out of the front seat into the back and paid his fare.
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His capture being quite a big inaccuracy,I'm no film producer but I would have thought how it really happened would have been better. Thoroughly enjoyed the film though.
 
i kne albert davy said:
His capture being quite a big inaccuracy,I'm no film producer but I would have thought how it really happened would have been better. Thoroughly enjoyed the film though.
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I thought that as well, he was captured and escaped several times plus he operated on both the eastern and western fronts. His life story is truly remarkable, I understand the focus was the love story and the great man himself probably didn’t reveal too much about his war years but I would have loved to have seen (even as flashbacks) more of that.
 
i kne albert davy said:
His capture being quite a big inaccuracy,I'm no film producer but I would have thought how it really happened would have been better. Thoroughly enjoyed the film though.
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He was captured? Thanks... I didn't know that and the whole film is ruined..... next you will be telling me he broke a leg in the same final as Dave Whelan.....
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
He was captured? Thanks... I didn't know that and the whole film is ruined..... next you will be telling me he broke a leg in the same final as Dave Whelan.....
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Is there a story about Dave Whelan and a broken leg in a final at Wembley?
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
He was captured? Thanks... I didn't know that and the whole film is ruined..... next you will be telling me he broke a leg in the same final as Dave Whelan.....
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Well we did put an offer in with his manager but his boss a certain Herr Hitler, alas there was just no negotiating with him,so in the British way we forced the deal through. Its right at the start of the film so don't let it spoil the film for you. Did Dave Whelan break his leg I've never heard that one.
 
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