The Kolarov Myth

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Time for an extended run in the side for him now.

Clichy is clearly not good enough for us anymore and is becoming a liability.

We need a left back in Jan or summer.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Time for an extended run in the side for him now.

Clichy is clearly not good enough for us anymore and is becoming a liability.

We need a left back in Jan or summer.
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Agree.. Clichy plays right back better than left back he should of been our back up for Zaba
 
waspish said:
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Time for an extended run in the side for him now.

Clichy is clearly not good enough for us anymore and is becoming a liability.

We need a left back in Jan or summer.
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Agree.. Clichy plays right back better than left back he should of been our back up for Zaba
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No way should Clichy have been 2nd choice RB. He is a natural LB, and Sagna is a much better backup to Zaba. I think Kolarov offers so much more than Clichy offensively, but neither of them are great defensively. But try to name a great defensive left back. There aren't many around in the world. Full backs are more crucial offensively nowadays, just look at Zaba's influence when he bombs down the right. I think our LBs are good enough for the foreseeable future.
 
get rid of clichy, rather see zab at left back and sagna right back then clichy anywhere near the team
 
In my humble opinion, our problems this season come from not having a settled back four. Zab, Komps, MD, Kolarov. Mangala should be used sparingly giving him time to adjust to the pace of the Premier League. To often our defense has looked disjointed, lets get a settled back four.
 
I think Clichy is in a bad patch of form and people are going a bit overboard on him. He's a good enough second choice.

The problem though is that as many have pointed out, Kolarov is also good enough for second choice.

This leaves us with two left feet and fucking ugly shoes as the saying goes.
 
Damocles said:
I think Clichy is in a bad patch of form and people are going a bit overboard on him. He's a good enough second choice.

The problem though is that as many have pointed out, Kolarov is also good enough for second choice.

This leaves us with two left feet and fucking ugly shoes as the saying goes.
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At least Kolarov is a good footballer, where as Clichy is morphing into Wayne Bridge.
 
Damocles said:
I think Clichy is in a bad patch of form and people are going a bit overboard on him. He's a good enough second choice.

The problem though is that as many have pointed out, Kolarov is also good enough for second choice.

This leaves us with two left feet and fucking ugly shoes as the saying goes.
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No, he's just not good enough.
Made loads of mistakes last year too. I remember giving up on him after Chelsea away last season. There was a thread in the transfer forum about who we needed to replace around the same time. My vote was for clichy
 
City 'til I die said:
waspish said:
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Time for an extended run in the side for him now.

Clichy is clearly not good enough for us anymore and is becoming a liability.

We need a left back in Jan or summer.
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Agree.. Clichy plays right back better than left back he should of been our back up for Zaba
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No way should Clichy have been 2nd choice RB. He is a natural LB, and Sagna is a much better backup to Zaba. I think Kolarov offers so much more than Clichy offensively, but neither of them are great defensively. But try to name a great defensive left back. There aren't many around in the world. Full backs are more crucial offensively nowadays, just look at Zaba's influence when he bombs down the right. I think our LBs are good enough for the foreseeable future.
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Sagna is fucking shite, HUGE gulf in class between him and zaba. We definitely need a new LB, one that can actually defend and is competent going forward like zaba on the right, in addition to kolorov as back up, who can come on LW when we need him to as well. I'd say we need a proper back up RB instead of Sagna as well, I honestly think he's terrible, every game he's played he's lost the ball, let wingers fly past him, and just generally been shit.

I think Chelsea played a blinder when they bought that azpilicueta, he can play either LB or RB, both better than Sagna, clichy and kolorov. Defensively he's a rock and he's not too shabby going forward.
 
We seem to be talking here about which one is the worst defender/attacker.

With our resources and ambitions, the issue is whether either is good enough overall.
 
Actually I think that's the only point in our back line that sticks out as not being up to the rest. Mangala, when he beds in and learns to be a little more canny, is going to be huge. No doubt in my mind. Vinnie is Vinnie. Zab is Zab. Enough said. Decent back-up for both although obviously not at their level (otherwise, how could they be back up?)
In fairness, it wasn't always a myth about Clichy. He had a terrific season in the first title winning year. He hasn't played at that level since, IMO, apart from in flashes. Kolarov, we all know, is not totally reliable defensively. But most of the time he's just about as good as Clichy, he takes a mean free kick, and he's the only player who can put a decent corner over. He also puts wolves next to the Christmas tree, and when he "sings" a Christmas song it's like Luca Brazzi asking you to sign a contract. That clinches it, for me.
 
sir baconface said:
We seem to be talking here about which one is the worst defender/attacker.

With our resources and ambitions, the issue is whether either is good enough overall.
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Kolarov definitely is, I think even his keenest critics on here think he can be a useful member of a 21/25 man squad. (awaits contradiction). Clichy is a complete and utter liability nowadays, constantly gets skinned in defence, doesn't try to get back and offers absolutely nothing going forward.

Also, Clichy's attitude fucking stinks nowadays. Watch West Ham's first goal on Saturday, after he gets beaten (out of position) by Valencia, he turns his back on the ball and walks over to the sidelines instead of chasing back. That's fucking disgraceful.
 
aguero93:20 said:
sir baconface said:
We seem to be talking here about which one is the worst defender/attacker.

With our resources and ambitions, the issue is whether either is good enough overall.
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Kolarov definitely is, I think even his keenest critics on here think he can be a useful member of a 21/25 man squad. (awaits contradiction). Clichy is a complete and utter liability nowadays, constantly gets skinned in defence, doesn't try to get back and offers absolutely nothing going forward.

Also, Clichy's attitude fucking stinks nowadays. Watch West Ham's first goal on Saturday, after he gets beaten (out of position) by Valencia, he turns his back on the ball and walks over to the sidelines instead of chasing back. That's fucking disgraceful.
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This part of Clichy's game in recent times is especially annoying and it's causing the left-sided CBs to get a lot of unjustified stick. even Paolo Maldini would have looked an iffy CB with the current Clichy leaving him high and dry time after time.
 
kolarov is not a bad defender, but it gets difficult for him at times because david silva doesnt help him out. that's all it is folks . we must move david silva to the center and free him of defensive duties.
 
Assuming both players were on form, which Clichy definitely isn't. ,

Clichy defensively 6/10 Clichy offensively 2/10 total 8/20
Kolarov defensively 5/10 Kolarov offensively 8/10 total 13/20

And that's probably a bit harsh on Kolarov defensively. On Clichy's current form He should maybe down to 3 defensively.

It's always been beyond me how people expect full backs to constantly overlap and supply crosses, then be in the perfect position defensively to fend off counter attacks. It's physically impossible.
Some people on here seem to expect every single cross to hit it's desired target too. Not one for digging up stats but i'd be surprised if you could find any winger on the planet with cross completion stats of over 30%. The very nature of crossing a ball into an area populated by more defenders than attackers says that it's more likely to be cleared than find a striker. The way people bang on about other team's players as though they're better than Kolarov. They don't watch these other players every week. If they did, I'm sure they'd realise that the grass isn't always greener.
 
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