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No one pays him more attention, or responds to his posts more frequently, than yourself.
Maybe I take the time to challenge his lies? It's an open politics forum and he got fed up with his musings being challenged. I know I'm on "ignore" to him, but when he spouts his lies (and yes there are a number of those, not opinions of which I have no issue) , at least some may realise the nonsense he comes out with as if they are based on fact. I do like the reference to my "endless bollocks" from someone with 16X as many posts!!
 
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Can we not learn something from the Scandinavians?
Well if half the twats waving flags stopped embracing only one part of British. history with this anglo-saxon love in and instead embraced our viking legacy that went prior and alongside it maybe we would look to our other ancestors over the north sea rather than other saxon fetish cunts ove rthe atlantic.

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My working life is split roughly 24 years HM forces/civil service, 17 years private. My private pension that was frozen 20 years ago before I transferred out to my own pot, outstrips my civil service pension by about 4/1. If I had to rely on my civil service pension ide be working until I am 80. This gold plated civil service pension shit from the person you responded to is just that, bullshit. Maybe a few have done very well but the vast majority don’t.
As a 'normal' ex-CS employee who left with a full OCC-PEN I can also confirm that it's not the likes of me who are ruining the country.
 
Crossrail had to go underground. NPR doesn't. True, having a through station makes sense if there's going to be a line to Leeds, but where's the money for that? It was an unfunded Tory promise when they pulled HS2 phase 2.

How deep would this underground station be? It could take 5 minutes to get up to the current Piccadilly platforms.

What's the route for the new line from Liverpool to Manchester? Where would the tunnel from Piccadilly emerge to the north?
You dont need to tell me about Crossrail, I worked on both the design and commissioning for over 10 years and have worked on infrastructure consultancy (rail, nuclear and defence) for over 25 years.

To be honest I would compulsory purchase the land along Sheffield Street, excavate it and build a cut and cover underground station, reinstating the land afterwards and then developing it, that way you get any land purchase cost back. The passenger tunnels would only need to be around 100m to get you into Piccadilly.

As for the route without spending hours looking at it, there are areas around Trafford and Eccles where you could come out of tunnel and link in with the existing rail infrastructure. The natural corridor for a new line would either be roughly parallel to the M62 or East Lancs Rd, it might upset a few golfers but that gives all the more reason to build it there :-).

The estimate I made was 3 mins back of a fag packet stuff, but for some reason we pay consultants tens of millions to develop a number of solutions that work and then let the people in Whitehall along with politicians do their own preferential engineering based upon party and local politics.

95% of the problem with HS2 was pacifying politicians who had vested interested where the line did and didnt run, how much was in tunnel and allowing objections to run riot due to the woeful HS2 planning legislation (Schedule 17). All caused massive delays which then resulted in the budget being further blown due to inflation.

Everyone says why does it cost so much in the UK to build infrastructure, well in most of the rest of the world they draw a line where they want it and if you dont like it then tough luck, its compulsory purchased or you put up with it on your doorstep.
 
1 Acacia avenue does get benefits though. You lose your job but your partner is working and earning that’s your benefit entitlement up the Swanee.
A brick building gets benefits? And what are these?

Anyhow people are individuals even couples, now we can play pedantry all day but saying 4 people in a home earning a wage only should pay in total the same tax as one person in a home is madness. And if that one person has kids it's even more barking. So no your idea was silly.

Stop your silliness :-)
 
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A brick building gets benefits? And what are these?

Anyhow people are individuals even couples, now we can play pedantry all day but saying 4 people in a home earning a wage only should pay in total the same tax as one person in a home is madness. And if that one person has kids it's even more barking. So no your idea was silly.

Stop your silliness :-)
I’m talking about a married couple, not 4 people in a house, as you well know.
I reckon if my missus earned £100k and I looked after the kids, we’d save the state a lot more than if we both earned £50k and claimed tax credits and free child care!
 
I’m talking about a married couple, not 4 people in a house, as you well know.
I reckon if my missus earned £100k and I looked after the kids, we’d save the state a lot more than if we both earned £50k and claimed tax credits and free child care!
You said a house should pay the same tax, I have no idea if you meant couples or individuals, anyhow if you were both earning 50k I would not be giving you any tax credits or free child care.

In fact however your 100k is divided I'm not sure you would be top of my list to make it 'fair'
 
You said a house should pay the same tax, I have no idea if you meant couples or individuals, anyhow if you were both earning 50k I would not be giving you any tax credits or free child care.

In fact however your 100k is divided I'm not sure you would be top of my list to make it 'fair'
I think they mean the burden on the household should be the same. There is no doubt the UK tax system is in need of massive change. I do have a degree of sympathy with Chippy regarding the almost 100% "loss" of a personal allowance should that person not be working. However, if he was really earning £125k, the obvious solution was to pay the difference between £100k and what he actually earned into a personal pension to avoid losing the personal allowance and also benefit from 40% tax relief. I know we are all different but watching 60% of earnings disappear whilst not topping up a personal pension is just lunacy.

When I met my Mrs, her son was about to go to uni in Wales and suddenly what he was entitled to claim was dependant on MY income even though I had only actually met him a few times. We delayed co-habitating to ensure he got what he was entitled to and we weren't breaking the rules.

I don't know what the solution is, but the present system certainly throws up many anomalies and needs reforming (not by Farage and co though). The trouble is, it's tough to make changes when people are already paying and the government requires the income on a continuous basis.
 
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I think they mean the burden on the household should be the same. There is no doubt the UK tax system is in need of massive change. I do have a degree of sympathy with Chippy regarding the almost 100% "loss" of a personal allowance should that person not be working. However, if he was really earning £125k, the obvious solution was to pay the difference between £100k and what he actually earned into a personal pension to avoid losing the personal allowance and also benefit from 40% tax relief. I know we are all different but watching 60% of earnings disappear whilst not topping up a personal pension is just lunacy.

When I met my Mrs, her son was about to go to uni in Wales and suddenly what he was entitled to claim was dependant on MY income even though I had only actually met him a few times. We delayed co-habitating to ensure he got what he was entitled to and we weren't breaking the rules.

I don't know what the solution is, but the present system certainly throws up many anomalies and needs reforming (not by Farage and co though). The trouble is, it's tough to make changes when people are already paying and the government requires the income on a continuous basis.
Yeah I get the burden on the household hence my saying a house doesn't receive benefits or public services. Is there a completely fair way? No. But as individuals we pay tax on our earnings. If a couple decide that only 1 needs or wants to work thats their decision. It's a personal tax allowance for a singular person.
 
We had a half-decent local MP until the 2024 elections, he understood local problems and worked with cross party local councillors to try to make things better. The change of government last year meant we had a new Labour MP, who is saying all the same things as her predecessor, but everything is getting worse, just like the nation. I GIVE UP!
 
You dont need to tell me about Crossrail, I worked on both the design and commissioning for over 10 years and have worked on infrastructure consultancy (rail, nuclear and defence) for over 25 years.

To be honest I would compulsory purchase the land along Sheffield Street, excavate it and build a cut and cover underground station, reinstating the land afterwards and then developing it, that way you get any land purchase cost back. The passenger tunnels would only need to be around 100m to get you into Piccadilly.

As for the route without spending hours looking at it, there are areas around Trafford and Eccles where you could come out of tunnel and link in with the existing rail infrastructure. The natural corridor for a new line would either be roughly parallel to the M62 or East Lancs Rd, it might upset a few golfers but that gives all the more reason to build it there :-).

The estimate I made was 3 mins back of a fag packet stuff, but for some reason we pay consultants tens of millions to develop a number of solutions that work and then let the people in Whitehall along with politicians do their own preferential engineering based upon party and local politics.

95% of the problem with HS2 was pacifying politicians who had vested interested where the line did and didnt run, how much was in tunnel and allowing objections to run riot due to the woeful HS2 planning legislation (Schedule 17). All caused massive delays which then resulted in the budget being further blown due to inflation.

Everyone says why does it cost so much in the UK to build infrastructure, well in most of the rest of the world they draw a line where they want it and if you dont like it then tough luck, its compulsory purchased or you put up with it on your doorstep.
Route to the north... not to the west...

The Liverpool route is via tunnel from Ardwick to the airport then via Warrington (somehow - nothing published yet).

How many miles of tunnel before you emerge heading toward Bradford and Leeds?
 
And people haven't noticed that we aren't called Sven and Inga. Seriously the "why can't we be like Scandinavia" question is easily answered: it's because we are not like Scandinavians. Culturally, we are just miles different from them. And we are not loaded like Norway is from it's vast wealth from oil and gas, built up over decades.
What did Thatcher do with our vast oil wealth?
 
Route to the north... not to the west...

The Liverpool route is via tunnel from Ardwick to the airport then via Warrington (somehow - nothing published yet).

How many miles of tunnel before you emerge heading toward Bradford and Leeds?
Depends which route you take you could just go east and link in with the Transpennine route not far from the stadium. So less than 2 miles. Anyway I've spent 10 mins answering you questions (thats £33 at my current rate), bottom line is its not beyond the wit of man and even using the ludicrous figures that it cost HS2 per mile of tunnel it can still be done.
 
Depends which route you take you could just go east and link in with the Transpennine route not far from the stadium. So less than 2 miles. Anyway I've spent 10 mins answering you questions (thats £33 at my current rate), bottom line is its not beyond the wit of man and even using the ludicrous figures that it cost HS2 per mile of tunnel it can still be done.
The underground station might make more sense if the line was going on to Bradford and Leeds. That was the original plan, but then that was scrapped by the Tories in the IRP. But then came Network North with Sunak apparently putting the Bradford route back on the agenda. But Mayors Burnham and Rotherham now have the "Liverpool and Manchester Railway" rather than NPR - but if Burnham wants an underground station just to link up with the TP route, he's not explained that well.

If we're tunnelling under Manchester, I suspect this plan might be more realistic: https://www.passengertransport.co.uk/2025/09/gilligan-npr-makes-hs2-look-sensible/

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