The Labour Government

[metalblue]

The vast majority of benefits are made up of the state pension and IN WORK benefits. That's where the biggest changes/savings can and should be made. Employers paying shit wages and so being subisidised by the benefit system. The unsustainable triple lock. The group you choose to ostracise makes up a very small part of the overall benefit spend, but I guess you need a target to blame if it's not the immigrants, boats. There certainly does need to be some reform in the areas you are concerned about but if it was easy to do, successive governments wouldn't have struggled with it for so long.

I 100% agree with you about in work benefits. Work should always pay, someone I know this month earned £1,490 from working and got docket £1,430 from their universal credit. Out of that £60 they paid to go to work and for parking so probably ended up worse off, no wonder people think fuck it I might as well not bother.

Regarding the 2 child benefit cap, the optics look terrible if she announces this come the budget. Stick up taxes to fix the chancellor’s latest black hole whilst simultaneously handing out £3.6bn. Tax payers are obviously going look at that as a government raising taxes to save their political skins and be unhappy (when the choice is to raise less in taxes), although I suppose some will be better off. The two events should be as far away as possible from each other. Tax rises now and announce the 2 child cap going in the spring ahead of the local elections at the earliest, they’ll likely get a bit of a bounce with a lot less flak. Still the genie is out of the bottle now because someone leaked it to the press.

 

[metalblue]

Trumps fault according to the radio this morning.

Nah, it’s the estate agents fault

 

[threespires]

He was a former commodity broker, I used to work with him.

Yes that was sloppy of me he worked on the LME didn't he? Have you mentioned this titbit before and I've just missed it? Semi-tangentially, I once worked for a guy who'd been at Drexel Burnham Lambert, I really liked him but sadly he like them ended up a cautionary tale.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

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Accept that the way our political parties behave now means that FPTP is entirely unsuitable and replace it.

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MPs should not be elected when it's obvious that a majority of the constituents haven't voted for them. It isn't rocket science to elect an MP where there is clearly a majority who would find a candidate to be acceptable. Unfortunately, I think the FPTP system suits those sitting on the green benches, and they have been and would continue to be more than reluctant to adopt a system that would possibly put them out of a job.

 

[metalblue]

Yes that was sloppy of me he worked on the LME didn't he? Have you mentioned this titbit before and I've just missed it? Semi-tangentially, I once worked for a guy who'd been at Drexel Burnham Lambert, I really liked him but sadly he like them ended up a cautionary tale.

The metal in my user name is from the LME days. I have mentioned before I worked with him on here, he wasn’t on the floor by then (LME), was running his commodity brokerage business with his brother.

The vast majority got through it largely unscathed but a few sad stories from over indulgence.

I’m still in the metals business.

 

[mosssideblue]

So that we can confirm, yet again, that we have elected a bunch of lying charlatans. is it that we are gullible or just hopeful that this time they are gonna stick to what they've said.

Are you suggesting that if Labour had said in their manifesto that they will be rising income tax to put right the mess the Tories had created, they would still have won the election?

 

[mosssideblue]

I really do fear for Labour IF income tax rises.

I don’t if they put the money to good use

 

[blueinsa]

Are you suggesting that if Labour had said in their manifesto that they will be rising income tax to put right the mess the Tories had created, they would still have won the election?

So say anything to get elected and then fuck it?

What they promised was a fairer way of doing politics and that the adults would fix things.

At the last budget, Reeves said it was a once in a parliament budget and that the foundations had been set, the wrongs righted and that from then on it was on her and Labour.

12 months on and she lurches from one crises to the next as it’s clear she had no answers, fixed fuck all and was always going to keep coming back for more because of it.

Tories shit, Labour shit, Reform not the answer….

We are fucked with no end in sight from the pain inflicted upon us by shit politicians.

 

[mosssideblue]

So say anything to get elected and then fuck it?

What they promised as a fairer way of doing politics and that the adults would fix things.

At the last budget, Reeves said it was a once in a parliament budget and that the foundations had been set, the wrongs righted and that from then on it was on her and Labour.

12 months on and she lurches from one crises to the next as it’s clear she had no answers, fixed fuck all and was always going to keep coming back for more because of it.

Tories shit, Labour shit, Reform not the answer….

We are fucked with no end in sight from the pain inflicted upon us by shit politicians.

Well, let’s give them a full term to fix things then.

 

[blueinsa]

Well, let’s give them a full term to fix things then.

They have it.

We all know now they have got about as much chance of fixing things as an ice cream has of surviving a heatwave.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Well, let’s give them a full term to fix things then.

It won't happen imo, as in "giving /trusting them to sort out the issues" as too many feel that they are unable to believe any politician to be anything but propaganda artists, liars and self-serving individuals.

 

[mosssideblue]

They have it.

We all know now they have got about as much chance of fixing things as an ice cream has of surviving a heatwave.

Do you acknowledge they have done some positive things already or not?

 

[mosssideblue]

It won't happen imo, as in "giving /trusting them to sort out the issues" as too many feel that they are unable to believe any politician to be anything but propaganda artists, liars and self-serving individuals.

Time will tell, but many seem to think progress is a personal thing rather than a national thing.

 

[hampshireblue]

Time will tell, but many seem to think progress is a personal thing rather than a national thing.

You're right, we all have different priorities and will judge a government on how they deal with those.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Time will tell, but many seem to think progress is a personal thing rather than a national thing.

Absolutely this. Fighting against the tide with everything that they do.

The hypocrisy from the electorate who watched years of lies, abuse and self-serving remain in denial and yet think that the latest set of charlatans will be different and honest,

 

[.db.]

5% unemployment.

Highest in 4 years.

Further and faster and it’s all about economic growth remember.

More people = more unemployment when the people coming into the country aren’t specifically targeted to the need in the sectors where there are gaps in the job market.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

5% unemployment.

Highest in 4 years.

Further and faster and it’s all about economic growth remember.

I think putting up national insurance contributions has had a big impact. Companies aren’t hiring young people in particular because of the cost.

I work for quite a large company now and we’ve stopped taking on graduates and apprentices

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Are you suggesting that if Labour had said in their manifesto that they will be rising income tax to put right the mess the Tories had created, they would still have won the election?

I think the electorate should know better by now. Whatever is in the manifesto, whatever comes out of lying, dissembling mouths prior to an election is what people are voting for and expecting in the hope that it will provide some measure of prosperity. Had the Labour Party included a halfpenny on the standard rate it would have been the longest electoral suicide note Vol2!

 

[blueinsa]

Do you acknowledge they have done some positive things already or not?

Like what with regards the economy which is the one thing that affects us all?

 

[blueinsa]

I think putting up national insurance contributions has had a big impact. Companies aren’t hiring young people in particular because of the cost.

I work for quite a large company now and we’ve stopped taking on graduates and apprentices

They got told it was a job hurting tax but wouldn’t listen and here we are with now 5% unemployment when they also want to reduce the welfare budget.

Shite, crazy policy.