The Labour Government

[mosssideblue]

I really do fear for Labour IF income tax rises.

I don’t if they put the money to good use

 

[blueinsa]

Are you suggesting that if Labour had said in their manifesto that they will be rising income tax to put right the mess the Tories had created, they would still have won the election?

So say anything to get elected and then fuck it?

What they promised was a fairer way of doing politics and that the adults would fix things.

At the last budget, Reeves said it was a once in a parliament budget and that the foundations had been set, the wrongs righted and that from then on it was on her and Labour.

12 months on and she lurches from one crises to the next as it’s clear she had no answers, fixed fuck all and was always going to keep coming back for more because of it.

Tories shit, Labour shit, Reform not the answer….

We are fucked with no end in sight from the pain inflicted upon us by shit politicians.

 

[mosssideblue]

So say anything to get elected and then fuck it?

What they promised as a fairer way of doing politics and that the adults would fix things.

At the last budget, Reeves said it was a once in a parliament budget and that the foundations had been set, the wrongs righted and that from then on it was on her and Labour.

12 months on and she lurches from one crises to the next as it’s clear she had no answers, fixed fuck all and was always going to keep coming back for more because of it.

Tories shit, Labour shit, Reform not the answer….

We are fucked with no end in sight from the pain inflicted upon us by shit politicians.

Well, let’s give them a full term to fix things then.

 

[blueinsa]

Well, let’s give them a full term to fix things then.

They have it.

We all know now they have got about as much chance of fixing things as an ice cream has of surviving a heatwave.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Well, let’s give them a full term to fix things then.

It won't happen imo, as in "giving /trusting them to sort out the issues" as too many feel that they are unable to believe any politician to be anything but propaganda artists, liars and self-serving individuals.

 

[mosssideblue]

They have it.

We all know now they have got about as much chance of fixing things as an ice cream has of surviving a heatwave.

Do you acknowledge they have done some positive things already or not?

 

[mosssideblue]

It won't happen imo, as in "giving /trusting them to sort out the issues" as too many feel that they are unable to believe any politician to be anything but propaganda artists, liars and self-serving individuals.

Time will tell, but many seem to think progress is a personal thing rather than a national thing.

 

[hampshireblue]

Time will tell, but many seem to think progress is a personal thing rather than a national thing.

You're right, we all have different priorities and will judge a government on how they deal with those.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Time will tell, but many seem to think progress is a personal thing rather than a national thing.

Absolutely this. Fighting against the tide with everything that they do.

The hypocrisy from the electorate who watched years of lies, abuse and self-serving remain in denial and yet think that the latest set of charlatans will be different and honest,

 

[.db.]

5% unemployment.

Highest in 4 years.

Further and faster and it’s all about economic growth remember.

More people = more unemployment when the people coming into the country aren’t specifically targeted to the need in the sectors where there are gaps in the job market.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

5% unemployment.

Highest in 4 years.

Further and faster and it’s all about economic growth remember.

I think putting up national insurance contributions has had a big impact. Companies aren’t hiring young people in particular because of the cost.

I work for quite a large company now and we’ve stopped taking on graduates and apprentices

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Are you suggesting that if Labour had said in their manifesto that they will be rising income tax to put right the mess the Tories had created, they would still have won the election?

I think the electorate should know better by now. Whatever is in the manifesto, whatever comes out of lying, dissembling mouths prior to an election is what people are voting for and expecting in the hope that it will provide some measure of prosperity. Had the Labour Party included a halfpenny on the standard rate it would have been the longest electoral suicide note Vol2!

 

[blueinsa]

Do you acknowledge they have done some positive things already or not?

Like what with regards the economy which is the one thing that affects us all?

 

[blueinsa]

I think putting up national insurance contributions has had a big impact. Companies aren’t hiring young people in particular because of the cost.

I work for quite a large company now and we’ve stopped taking on graduates and apprentices

They got told it was a job hurting tax but wouldn’t listen and here we are with now 5% unemployment when they also want to reduce the welfare budget.

Shite, crazy policy.

 

[meltonblue]

I think putting up national insurance contributions has had a big impact. Companies aren’t hiring young people in particular because of the cost.

I work for quite a large company now and we’ve stopped taking on graduates and apprentices

That and more and more companies are being owned by private equity.

 

[Kompany Car]

I think putting up national insurance contributions has had a big impact. Companies aren’t hiring young people in particular because of the cost.

I work for quite a large company now and we’ve stopped taking on graduates and apprentices

I work in engineering consultancy. We typically take on around 100 grads a year. This year it’s less than 50 across a business which employs over 7000 people in the UK. Many similar large private businesses are reassessing their complete recruitment strategy for junior and early career (EC) people following the move.

There was already a large focus on offshoring work that is normally done by early careers to places like India as it’s becoming unaffordable to fit EC staff within client framework rates, particularly when working on major UK infrastructure projects. That process of offshoring is now being accelerated and even incentivised by the UKs recent deal with India.

The biggest issue is that the budgets for most of the major infrastructure projects and hence the framework rates, were set before the high levels of inflation hit. So what used to get you a grad with a 10% margin on top, means that you were only just about breaking even following the impact of inflation. Now add in the extra NI and as a business you’re making a loss.

 

[mosssideblue]

Like what with regards the economy which is the one thing that affects us all?

TBF, most things affect us all such as child poverty aid, faster diagnosis of ailments etc

 

[Kinkladze 1]

Come on man. It’s clear to see Starfish and Lammy have it all in hand…. Not.

They have it.

We all know now they have got about as much chance of fixing things as an ice cream has of surviving a heatwave.

 

[hampshireblue]

After 100s of pages about tax rises or not, I've yet to have an answer ( and I've asked it a few times in different ways) on which groups if any, should pay a bit more, and if the answer is none, which groups should suffer as a result of the inevitable cuts to public services and benefits.

For the record, I'm happy to pay a couple of p extra on income tax ( well, not happy but you know what I mean), VAT on private medical insurance, prescriptions till I reach state retirement age(presently free at 60-why?).

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Are you suggesting that if Labour had said in their manifesto that they will be rising income tax to put right the mess the Tories had created, they would still have won the election?

They would have romped the election. The tories were (and largely are) a completely busted flush. I suspect they knowingly knew it was a manifesto pledge they couldn’t keep but decided to lie anyway. I agree with your wider later points about let’s see how they do at the end of their term but politics is in the dirt and deceiving the electorate isn’t the answer

I’d personally put manifesto commitments on a legal footing. We’d get such a more honest and effective political system if we did