The Labour Government

metalblue said:
The ultimate solution is higher wages and people spending those wages on home built product to grow the economy so their wages go up even more all the while more taxes improve our public services. Simple eh? Except it isn’t simple.

One of the arguments you see for growing the economy is about taking money off the wealthy to give to the less wealthy as they will spend it versus the wealthy who horde it and that will help the economy - but it’s not a lot of good to our economy if they spend it on stuff from Alibaba or Shein.

We do have the option of putting tariffs on products we want consumers to use home grown products on (eg milk) but we aren’t a power house like the US so we are going to have to find a way of balancing it all.
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So true about the Chinese crap flooding the country. Daughter’s firm have just made redundancies solely because of competition from Shein.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Imagine being annoyed because Children are being fed.
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The tories brought in the NSPB via Family Action that by 2024 was delivering 370,000 breakfasts a day in over 2,500 schools for a cost of £16m a year. Labour then closed the NSBP to new applications introducing their own scheme and adding 750 schools for an additional £17m a year to deliver 140,000 additional breakfasts a day.

Imaging shutting down a programme that was twice as effective and thinking that’s progress.

Still the Labour fan club lap it up as something brand new and revolutionary.

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metalblue said:
The tories brought in the NSPB via Family Action that by 2024 was delivering 370,000 breakfasts a day in over 2,500 schools for a cost of £16m a year. Labour then closed the NSBP to new applications introducing their own scheme and adding 750 schools for an additional £17m a year to deliver 140,000 additional breakfasts a day.

Imaging shutting down a programme that was twice as effective and thinking that’s progress.

Still the Labour fan club lap it up as something brand new and revolutionary.

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It's not like they crashed the economy though. I mean it's a bit small fry in the grand scheme of governmental fuck aboutery in the last 10 or 15 years
 
Vic said:
Fascinating. (Seriously.) But (assuming I heard right) it was said that the food inflation rate was partly due to a 15% rise in the price of milk (presumably year on year).

Even allowing for hedging, the price should surely be coming down as there's a bit of a milk glut (UK and globally).
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Appreciate you appreciating it mate!

Milk pricing on the supermarket shelf for me is as (if not more) dependent on oil and energy costs - cost to process, transport and even the plastic containers it comes in are all impacted by those two things. If they drop along with the farmgate price then we may see a reduction in milk prices on the shelf, it’ll be offset by something else being more expensive, ie we will continue to have inflation - which is great for government debt as it erodes it overtime if you can convince the market to lend you money at a lower % than inflation and a key ingredient for growth.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Labour over Reform & Tories any day.
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Yes. Both parties led by dishonest grifters and should be unelectable (do we never bloody learn). Labours leader just weak but I think in the main more honest and more competent. Don't know much about the new Green leader but he may be worth looking at. SNP (who I am a member of) have too few truly competent people and will probably continue in government in Scotland but fail dismally at their intended purpose. Bloody hell we are in a bad way.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Fuck off, of course I can answer it. FWIW, Reform or Tories over this shower any day of the week.

The question was pure trolling as he knew full well what the answer is, so my original answer was entirely appropriate.
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Chippy_boy said:
Fuck off some more.
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Oh dear. I'm still blocked by him but I did ask last week if he's OK. I think we have our answer. And this from someone who apparently actively canvassed to remain in the EU.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
It's not like they crashed the economy though. I mean it's a bit small fry in the grand scheme of governmental fuck aboutery in the last 10 or 15 years
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Come on mate let’s discuss the facts on breakfast clubs (like 10% of schools have pulled out of the labour “new” scheme since inception earlier this year due to lack of funding https://schoolsweek.co.uk/79-schools-withdraw-from-breakfast-clubs-trial/). Let’s not move the goal posts of the debate on to something entirely different.
 
The Northern Baptist said:
Yes you’d think so wouldn’t you! The main purpose should be removing one of the barriers to get people into work.

I do find the framing of the scheme in this Dept for Education video very odd.

Not a single person says it means they can get to work on time or means they are able to increase their hours with additional wrap around care.

“You’re rushing, you forget if they’ve eaten” says the women who looks like she’s never forgotten to eat a meal.


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The ministers have defiantly said it means people can increase hours when they have spoken about it on tv. Whoever is asking the question is a bit dim. It doesn’t take half an hour to do toast ! And it takes long to drive kids to school ! But by taking them to breakfast club you can start work on time.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Yes. Both parties led by dishonest grifters and should be unelectable (do we never bloody learn). Labours leader just weak but I think in the main more honest and more competent. Don't know much about the new Green leader but he may be worth looking at. SNP (who I am a member of) have too few truly competent people and will probably continue in government in Scotland but fail dismally at their intended purpose. Bloody hell we are in a bad way.
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Can’t let this post go unchallenged… genuinely what has Badenoch done to make her dishonest?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Yes. Both parties led by dishonest grifters and should be unelectable (do we never bloody learn). Labours leader just weak but I think in the main more honest and more competent. Don't know much about the new Green leader but he may be worth looking at. SNP (who I am a member of) have too few truly competent people and will probably continue in government in Scotland but fail dismally at their intended purpose. Bloody hell we are in a bad way.
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No leader will satisfy, Starmer on the world stage holds a solid presence , seems to have a good relations with pretty much every world leader including the fat orange ****, seems calm and measured and holds his own at the dispatch box. Much rather that than the bumbling oaf we’ve had before and all the rest of the ridiculous Tory leaders.
 
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metalblue said:
The tories stance was remain so not sure how you conclude anything from those two posts?
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It may have been then, but I think you'll struggle to find a senior Tory now that wanted to stay in. But I take your point, maybe just highlighting Refrom would have been more accurate.
 
The Northern Baptist said:
Yes you’d think so wouldn’t you! The main purpose should be removing one of the barriers to get people into work.

I do find the framing of the scheme in this Dept for Education video very odd.

Not a single person says it means they can get to work on time or means they are able to increase their hours with additional wrap around care.

“You’re rushing, you forget if they’ve eaten” says the women who looks like she’s never forgotten to eat a meal.


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The ministers have defiantly said it means people can increase hours when they have spoken about it on tv. Whoever is asking the question is a bit dim. It doesn’t take half an hour to do toast ! And it takes long to drive kids to school ! But by taking them to breakfast club you can start work on time. What
domalino said:
Doesn’t look great though does it, your former leader being sent to prison for selling out the country?

Plus big Nige has his history of blaming anyone except Russia for the Ukraine war, and then the whole Aaron Banks Ural properties and meeting Russian agents before Brexit thing and GB News constantly getting linked to Russian money and putting out Kremlin friendly opinions.

Oh and wasn’t it just this morning it turned out one of their biggest donors was getting his money from a Kremlin backed cryptocurrency?

www.theguardian.com

Cryptocurrency backed by Farage donor is used for Russian war effort, investigators say

Tether tokens found to facilitate scheme that enables sanctions evasion and launders money for the Kremlin
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Just keeps following Farage around doesn’t it.

But I’m sure you’re right, it’s nothing.
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not party related but but Russian bots backed Brexit. Moggs investment funds invested in Russia. That Tory MP with the polish last name who backed Brexit had gold mines in Russia
 
BlueHammer85 said:
No leader will satisfy, Starmer on the world stage holds a solid presence , seems to have a good relations with pretty much every world leader including the fat orange ****, seems calm and measured and holds his own at the dispatch box. Much rather that than the bumbling oaf we’ve had before and all the rest of the ridiculous Tory leaders.
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I partially agree but no competent labour would be making the political errors he is making. I have less problems with him than I do Reeves who should be nowhere near that job. However his leadership has also to be judged on the team he picks to run his government. And before you jump in about Reeves, I have knowledge of her that I won't divulge on here.
 
metalblue said:
The tories brought in the NSPB via Family Action that by 2024 was delivering 370,000 breakfasts a day in over 2,500 schools for a cost of £16m a year. Labour then closed the NSBP to new applications introducing their own scheme and adding 750 schools for an additional £17m a year to deliver 140,000 additional breakfasts a day.

Imaging shutting down a programme that was twice as effective and thinking that’s progress.

Still the Labour fan club lap it up as something brand new and revolutionary.

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Obviously it's neither new nor revolutionary but is it a better scheme (and therefore likely to be more expensive)? If it's a better scheme, why would you keep the old scheme open?

I suspect you didn't get those figures (£16m and £17m) by your own research so what's your source? *

I admit I'm baffled by the various numbers for "early adopters", the test / pilot scheme, for applications for last April, next April and next September (and a DfT notice this week that talks about what will happen in April 2025). It certainly doesn’t help when Labour uses the words "are delivering" in the sense of "have now made the provision - but food will only be on the plate next year". The key difference is the aim that all schools will offer provision to all pupils not just in deprived areas.

Some schools have dropped out of the pilot scheme but in the end they'll be competing with schools that are offering a breakfast club (with the proven benefits for pupils' attention in class).


* It wasn't Chris Philp on GB News, was it?
 
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