I was mainly talking about its' implementation. We all know Cameron supported remain butnot very well, but the way they then allowed the ERG to take over and the present shambles it has turned into. Just imagine if GDP hadn't been 4% lower per annum. Maybe those who mainly voted for it wouldn't be losing some universal benefits.Lying about Brexit? The government supported remain.
I never accused them of lying about brexit tbf.Right. They didn’t lie about Brexit, just fucked it up in a desperate rush to get it “done”. They also fucked up by asking us lot to express an opinion but they didn’t expect to lose so…
Are you still here with your helpful and insightful contributions?Unbelievable.
I fundamentally, completely, disagree with you.
My employer pays ME to do work for them. They give ME the money. The government does not have any of its own money, only money it takes off working people like me. They take money that my employer pays ME and grab some of it for themselves. It does not become THEIR money when they do that. It is OUR money, that they are using to fund XYZ.
Similarly a thief cannot say this is MY money when he has stolen money off you. It is YOUR money that the thief has stolen. It is not the thiefs money.
Now everyone accepts that we need a level of taxation to pay for public services and that is fine. But please do not fall into the trap of thinking that the government is spending its own money. It isn't. It is spending your, and other taxpayers, money.
I never accused them of lying about brexit tbf.
I was mainly talking about its' implementation. We all know Cameron supported remain butnot very well, but the way they then allowed the ERG to take over and the present shambles it has turned into. Just imagine if GDP hadn't been 4% lower per annum. Maybe those who mainly voted for it wouldn't be losing some universal benefits.
I was replying to this:
"finally! well done Labour.
sorting out pay for junior doctors and ending the risk of further strikes is also huge."
You're far too sane to be posting in here.This thread is very partizan. Its possible disagree with policy decisions and not be pro/against a particular political party.
From a personal point of view...
- UK Energy makes sense as does renationalised railways.
- The WFA has been bluntly applied and whilst I agree with the principle that those who are wealthy enough should not get it, the cliff edge is not right.
- Settlement of disputes,
With the junior doctors, good that its resolved, but the discussion is clearly not finished and threats are already there to take more action. If so then any future deal should have some level of reform going the other way.
ASLEF - as I posted previously it looks like the government folded without getting any reforms.
Rwanda - absolutely the correct thing to do.
This thread is very partizan. Its possible disagree with policy decisions and not be pro/against a particular political party.
From a personal point of view...
- UK Energy makes sense as does renationalised railways.
- The WFA has been bluntly applied and whilst I agree with the principle that those who are wealthy enough should not get it, the cliff edge is not right.
- Settlement of disputes,
With the junior doctors, good that its resolved, but the discussion is clearly not finished and threats are already there to take more action. If so then any future deal should have some level of reform going the other way.
ASLEF - as I posted previously it looks like the government folded without getting any reforms.
Rwanda - absolutely the correct thing to do.