The Labour Government

west didsblue said:
We’re one year in to a five year term. Hopefully the fuck ups of the last few months will be a learning experience for the government and things will settle down. They’ve certainly got a challenge when three quarters of the media ignore anything positive and just jump on any perceived problems.
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Perceived problems lol. Not real then ?
 
Manc in London said:
Hands in the air, I don't know the nuances of the PIP issue. To say she is cruel, you would have to know the choices available to her. To be fair, amending benefits is very complex.

I don't like this iteration of Labour. They have a number of faults but I do believe they are acting like adults, which makes them an improvement to any government post 2019. However, I do not see them as nasty at all.

As for having no sympathy, I would reserve that for evil of the likes of Hitler, Pol Pot, Putin etc.. I think you may be overreacting a tad. The irony is that you have no empathy for her supposedly lacking empathy.
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So you have sympathy for someone who wanted to take money off the disabled but have no sympathy for someone who has no sympathy for someone who wanted to take money off the disabled.

That is morally rather odd. Who decided that you should have empathy for people without empathy.

Are you Hitler?

Err no

Okay you mustn't be too bad then and an adult to boot.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Cameron, Osborne and Clegg are nothing more than little spoilt brats who have had a life of luxury, never really had to feel the pain of being unemployed or living on the breadline... never!!

This country should put legislation in place that forbids you from being a politician until you are at least 30, and Prime Minister until you are 50.

These kids when they fuck up will shrug their shoulders and walk away totally oblivious to the harm and damagd they will have inflicted on many good honest people.... what do they care ?? They're rich, they will never be hungry or homeless or destitute - they really are not qualified to do the job.
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For old times sake and balance and to illustrate that I do not support the Tories nor do I support Labour (you may have worked that out for yourselves). But sadly, unlike those of you that do support either the Tories or Labour, given the track record of both Reform are the best of a shit bunch. et the moment .... However, I can almost guarantee over the next 4 years Reform will have shit in their own beds many times as well as the beds of many others to the point they will be totally unelectable.

Just tells you just how shit British politics and British politicians are today.
 
Don Karleone said:
You don't get to make vulnerable people's lives worse and then expect sympathy. She gets none from me.
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Same. If it was Rayner I'd be similarly ambivalent, unlike others in here with their "sympathy on a human level" takes.

Her heavily manufactured 'first woman iron chancellor" career path is basically had the bin lid shut on it that's all. I'm sure she'll be OK in the long run.
 
hilts said:
God help the obese asylum seeker:-)

In fairness obesity is mentioned a lot and I'm not sure you can get those who currently live here to jump on the scales before they are allowed back in blighty.
Sugar tax, fat jabs, alcohol and cigarette tax. I wouldn't say we ignore health issues.

With a demographic explosion problem we appear insanely keen on trying to keep people living longer.
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Yeah it was more the point that when some talk about the tax system, they only point to the cost of immigration rather than all the other areas, only mentioned obesity as the new study came out today

What we really need is to solve the obesity crisis until people retire, then hope they get morbidly obese soon after!
 
Postman Pep said:
Same. If it was Rayner I'd be similarly ambivalent, unlike others in here with their "sympathy on a human level" takes.

Her heavily manufactured 'first woman iron chancellor" career path is basically had the bin lid shut on it that's all. I'm sure she'll be OK in the long run.
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Maybe the Governor of the Bank of England post might come up? I mean she has the experience.... doesn't she?
 
Brewster's millions said:
Bloody hell.

If Starmer had got rid of her months ago, when he still had some authority and replaced her with someone like Cooper or even McFadden, then they could have scaled back borrowing and strengthened the credibility of the fiscal rules.

Now we’re in a situation where Starmer’s authority has been severely depleted and the next Chancellor will be to the left of Reeves, possibly significantly so, and it’s very likely that the fiscal mandate will change.
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Can't imagine why the right honourable gentleman for the Cayman Islands would suggest 2nd home hustlers as ideal replacements ;-)
 
Brewster's millions said:
Bloody hell.

If Starmer had got rid of her months ago, when he still had some authority and replaced her with someone like Cooper or even McFadden, then they could have scaled back borrowing and strengthened the credibility of the fiscal rules.

Now we’re in a situation where Starmer’s authority has been severely depleted and the next Chancellor will be to the left of Reeves, possibly significantly so, and it’s very likely that the fiscal mandate will change.
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That still makes no sense! Reeves was trying to scale back borrowing, what would Cooper or McFadden have done differently?
 
meltonblue said:
Yeah it was more the point that when some talk about the tax system, they only point to the cost of immigration rather than all the other areas, only mentioned obesity as the new study came out today

What we really need is to solve the obesity crisis until people retire, then hope they get morbidly obese soon after!
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That is the best plan I've heard so far, after 60s mint chocolates
 
west didsblue said:
We’re one year in to a five year term. Hopefully the fuck ups of the last few months will be a learning experience for the government and things will settle down. They’ve certainly got a challenge when three quarters of the media ignore anything positive and just jump on any perceived problems.
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Thats some positive spin mate.

Reeves has lost the support of a significant part of the party.

Starmer has chucked her under a bus on welfare reform and WFA. Policies he was all in favour of.

I’ll be shocked if she survives, they can’t brave it out with MPs gunning for her. If he is lucky she will resign rather than he sacks her, then he appoints a chancellor who is more left leaning, within 12 months he flips from right to left leaning economic policies, now people are questioning his judgement. No prime minister survives their chancellor going so I’ll be shocked if he is still PM this time next year.

They only have themselves to blame.
 
There was something distasteful about Badenoc in the house today and the media just as bad gloating over the fact Reeves messed up with her welfare reform bill. When I think of the last Conservative government and their handling of Covid and the economy they have nothing to gloat over.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
There was something distasteful about Badenoc in the house today and the media just as bad gloating over the fact Reeves messed up with her welfare reform bill. When I think of the last Conservative government and their handling of Covid and the economy they have nothing to gloat over.
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You're certainly right about the last bit.
 
metalblue said:
Thats some positive spin mate.

Reeves has lost the support of a significant part of the party.

Starmer has chucked her under a bus on welfare reform and WFA. Policies he was all in favour of.

I’ll be shocked if she survives, they can’t brave it out with MPs gunning for her. If he is lucky she will resign rather than he sacks her, then he appoints a chancellor who is more left leaning, within 12 months he flips from right to left leaning economic policies, now people are questioning his judgement. No prime minister survives their chancellor going so I’ll be shocked if he is still PM this time next year.

They only have themselves to blame.
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I think Starmer has to have the balls to be unpopular for a year or so, and has to be ruthless enough to take most MPs with him. If not, he’s toast along with Reeves.

Personally I think that Rayner is the best bet for Labour and the country in the medium term. I get the impression she’s ruthless enough to get things done. Would upset all the snobs and most of the press who think she’s too common. She would be a great example of how anyone, whatever their background, get get to the top.
 
Manc in London said:
Hands in the air, I don't know the nuances of the PIP issue. To say she is cruel, you would have to know the choices available to her. To be fair, amending benefits is very complex.

I don't like this iteration of Labour. They have a number of faults but I do believe they are acting like adults, which makes them an improvement to any government post 2019. However, I do not see them as nasty at all.

As for having no sympathy, I would reserve that for evil of the likes of Hitler, Pol Pot, Putin etc.. I think you may be overreacting a tad. The irony is that you have no empathy for her supposedly lacking empathy.
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The DWP own report itself said that the original proposed changes to benefits would push 250,000 people into poverty. Other reports suggest that the figures could be much higher.

Damn right I have no empathy for her. She's a wolf in sheep's clothing targeting the most vulnerable in our society.

If you and the people who liked your post think putting that many people through mental turmoil is acceptable then you crack on. Where's your empathy for those people?
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
I’ve had a good pay rise, I’m not affected by train strikes which was a weekly occurrence at one point, been able to book docs relatively quicker I’ve noticed this year. What massive changes to personal lives was people expecting?
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I hope you thanked Ric for that rise because your full-time job appears to be chatting shit on the politics threads.
 
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