The Labour Government

[hilts]

In principle getting people to lose weight is good for their long term health so it makes sense to offer it on NHS. I’ll assume they aren’t planning linking it to benefits given you simply can’t jab a cohort against their will.

However weight problems often have underlying causes like depression as well so if we don’t treat them holistically it might end up being a bit pointless.

Plus kebabs taste better than Celery

 

[metalblue]

All they've announced is a five year study at the University of Manchester, about expanding the use of the drugs. The work stuff is just one of the criteria that they'll assess at the end.

New study to deepen understanding of a weight loss medication

Health Innovation Manchester and The University of Manchester has today (14 October 2024) announced a groundbreaking strategic partnership with Eli Lilly and Company (Lilly) to initiate a five-year real-world evidence study (SURMOUNT-REAL UK), subject to relevant approvals.

www.manchester.ac.uk

Cheers. Be interesting to see the results.

 

[Postman Pep]

Sure - and you've chosen to take an out of context headline, and run with it.

Eh ? You posted a mad headline not me. The headline to the paragraph I posted was widely used across the media. For example.

You've also posted an ignorant comparison from Stats for Lefties.

Regulation doesn't take away the potential side effects.

Ozempic Side Effects: Common, Mild, and Serious

Ozempic is a brand-name drug used to treat type 2 diabetes. Learn about the common, mild, and serious side effects it can cause and how to manage them.

www.healthline.com

One of the drugs is called Mounjaro. The headline kind of writes itself if it goes tits up.down the line.

 

[Postman Pep]

It worked for streeting. He was a fat ****.

Should inject some into his fat head ... just as a study like ;-)

 

[TinFoilHat]

Fucking Ozempic.

The US ads are cringe worthy as fuck but the fucking jingle stays in your head.

 

[bluenova]

Regulation doesn't take away the potential side effects.

Ozempic Side Effects: Common, Mild, and Serious

Ozempic is a brand-name drug used to treat type 2 diabetes. Learn about the common, mild, and serious side effects it can cause and how to manage them.

www.healthline.com

One of the drugs is called Mounjaro. The headline kind of writes itself if it goes tits up.down the line.

That stats for lefties post was absolute bullshit - there is nothing contradictory in the two headlines, yet they portray it as hypocrisy. The comments after suggest that most of their readers believe it was worse, and implied corruption.

I've put in the quote that he actually made, and a link to the press release from the University. It's an academic study into a drug that has been used for some time on the NHS, and which will consider health outcomes as it's primary focus. If you're concerned about the potential side effects, then surely you'd support a major research study - especially for drugs that are so in demand that there's a significant market for unregulated/fake versions?

Given the potential of the weight loss drugs, the very real issues society has with obesity, and the fact that these drugs aren't going to go away if we ignore them, what's your actual issue with the research?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

That stats for lefties post was absolute bullshit - there is nothing contradictory in the two headlines, yet they portray it as hypocrisy. The comments after suggest that most of their readers believe it was worse, and implied corruption.

I've put in the quote that he actually made, and a link to the press release from the University. It's an academic study into a drug that has been used for some time on the NHS, and which will consider health outcomes as it's primary focus. If you're concerned about the potential side effects, then surely you'd support a major research study - especially for drugs that are so in demand that there's a significant market for unregulated/fake versions?

Given the potential of the weight loss drugs, the very real issues society has with obesity, and the fact that these drugs aren't going to go away if we ignore them, what's your actual issue with the research?

For context, there was a debate on R5 this morning and 3 of the guests had been using the drug, paid for by themselves, and they all said it was a God send. One had lost 6 stone, another 28 kg, the other didn’t get to mention their loss but each one said that they were now able to function properly, work regular hours and also get into the gym or go out for walks.

To counter that, there was an hypnotist on who was vociferous about the side effects which were then countered with ‘mild side effects, which ‘pass’ after the first injection. Turns out the hypnotist also used his practice on obese patients.

 

[Hertzblue]

 

[bluenova]

For context, there was a debate on R5 this morning and 3 of the guests had been using the drug, paid for by themselves, and they all said it was a God send. One had lost 6 stone, another 28 kg, the other didn’t get to mention their loss but each one said that they were now able to function properly, work regular hours and also get into the gym or go out for walks.

To counter that, there was an hypnotist on who was vociferous about the side effects which were then countered with ‘mild side effects, which ‘pass’ after the first injection. Turns out the hypnotist also used his practice on obese patients.

I know quite a few people who take it, and it definitely isn't a completely benign experience - it needs to be watched carefully. I believe the effects most often do show up after the first treatment, but that they can continue, and can be pretty significant. However, for many people, even fairly uncomfortable side effects will be balanced out healthwise by the weight loss.

I also know people who have taken dodgy versions, including a nurse(!) who ended up in A&E. She's posted on facebook, describing the situation, and telling people not to take the drugs, despite having no idea what she actually took. There have been some real horror stories about what is being passed off as the real thing, and that appears to be what Streeting was concerned about in that first article.

 

[Don Karleone]

That stats for lefties post was absolute bullshit - there is nothing contradictory in the two headlines, yet they portray it as hypocrisy. The comments after suggest that most of their readers believe it was worse, and implied corruption.

I've put in the quote that he actually made, and a link to the press release from the University. It's an academic study into a drug that has been used for some time on the NHS, and which will consider health outcomes as it's primary focus. If you're concerned about the potential side effects, then surely you'd support a major research study - especially for drugs that are so in demand that there's a significant market for unregulated/fake versions?

Given the potential of the weight loss drugs, the very real issues society has with obesity, and the fact that these drugs aren't going to go away if we ignore them, what's your actual issue with the research?

It isn't happening to help people get healthy, if they wanted to do that the government would put more effort into making healthy food options cheaper and sorting out the other root causes of obesity. Eli Lilly isn't doing this out of the goodness of their heart, they want something for their £280m investment.


In answer to your other question, the whole of the Labour right are evil bastards who are only interested in what they themselves can gain from being in power. Same as the Tories.