The Labour Government

inbetween said:
What certain Labour voters want is a system where they save and keep all of their income but somebody else pays for everything else. And this is where the argument on socialism falls apart.

It goes completely against our human instincts which are tribal and not species collective.
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Who are these people that you generalise?

And, who are these ‘somebody else’?
 
inbetween said:
What certain Labour voters want is a system where they save and keep all of their income but somebody else pays for everything else. And this is where the argument on socialism falls apart.

It goes completely against our human instincts which are tribal and not species collective.
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No we dont ....

However we do want companies such as Shell to at least pay their fare share into the pot.

www.independent.co.uk

Shell pays first UK tax for five years as record profit lands it with £15m bill

The firm wrote down its tax bill by around £34 million due to the money it is spending in the country.
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
hampshireblue said:
I would hope that there is certainly some allowance for the likes of your mate. This whole debate shows what a mess the tax system is in. A few anomalies: The "minimum wage" is taxed, there is no consistency between taxing individuals and taxing a household eg child benefit, Marginal tax rate from £100k-£125k is 60% then drops after that.

The starting point should be that the lowest tax rates should be for those people who actually earn or in the case of pensioners drawdown an income to live on. After that, and in no particular order, should be un-earned income be dividends, inheritance tax, rental income etc. etc. The tax rates and thresholds are up for debate but the underpin should be that the lowest rate of tax are for income for actually working. Only with that underpin can you have a truly progressive tax system that makes the whole system fairer. Where to start is another matter....??
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The issue is not how much CEOs and the like are remunerated but the methods chosen to do it. For most in very senior positions, cash salary is not that important, it’s the shares, stock call options and deferred compensation that are not subject to the same rates of taxation as a normal salaried employee, that gets them excited.
 
Kompany Car said:
The issue is not how much CEOs and the like are remunerated but the methods chosen to do it. For most in very senior positions, cash salary is not that important, it’s the shares, stock call options and deferred compensation that are not subject to the same rates of taxation as a normal salaried employee, that gets them excited.
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You're right. So why should a CEO that has loads of cash to fall back on, get an alternative method of remuneration that attracts a lower rate of tax than their "normal" workforce? It's just not how a fair taxation system should work.
 
kaz7 said:
It is £150 warm home discount , it goes direct to your energy company , criteria is mega strict but i am on a means tested benefit so i am getting it , tories never gave it me despite being on the means tested benefit for a few years
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Nice. Looks like there are some other options to the WFA.
 
kaz7 said:
It is £150 warm home discount , it goes direct to your energy company , criteria is mega strict but i am on a means tested benefit so i am getting it , tories never gave it me despite being on the means tested benefit for a few years
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Absolutely nothing to do with Labour or the Tories for the reason you didn't get it. If I remember rightly you wouldn't let them view your financial information so wouldn't apply. And if you have just changed energy supplier maybe they have a better system, but it is fuck all to do with Labour.
 
Scottyboi said:
Absolutely nothing to do with Labour or the Tories for the reason you didn't get it. If I remember rightly you wouldn't let them view your financial information so wouldn't apply. And if you have just changed energy supplier maybe they have a better system, but it is fuck all to do with Labour.
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The letter is from the government and i am getting it and i dont have to apply or give them any information, you are thinking of the scheme that your local council has , they wanted all my finances so i chose not to apply

I havent changed anything and suddenly get a letter direct from the government , so i would say labour have changed something
 
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