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The letter is from the government and i am getting it and i dont have to apply or give them any information, you are thinking of the scheme that your local council has , they wanted all my finances so i chose not to apply

No you have now qualified due to a change in your entitlement to a benefit is honestly has nothing to do with Labour, my Mrs has been receiving it for years. And I told you about it 2 years ago and you didn't want anyone going through your bank statements.
 
No you have now qualified due to a change in your entitlement to a benefit is honestly has nothing to do with Labour, my Mrs has been receiving it for years. And I told you about it 2 years ago and you didn't want anyone going through your bank statements.
I have been on the benefit for years , i have not changed my circumstances at all , be happy for me !
 
I have been on the benefit for years , i have not changed my circumstances at all , be happy for me !

Anyway in other news I had to have a call to go through 4 months of bank statements for the 9 accounts I have and explain any transaction over £100 was a great time! Just a review nothing intrusive they said haha.
 
It is £150 warm home discount , it goes direct to your energy company , criteria is mega strict but i am on a means tested benefit so i am getting it , tories never gave it me despite being on the means tested benefit for a few years
I used to get the WHD when it was the energy suppliers who decided who qualified. Then the last government stopped this and decided only people on PC could get it. The Cons' took that away and now Lab's have taken my WFA away.
I can get council tax support but that is not a benefit that entitles me to anything else.
 
What certain Labour voters want is a system where they save and keep all of their income but somebody else pays for everything else. And this is where the argument on socialism falls apart.

It goes completely against our human instincts which are tribal and not species collective.

Not sure that's true. Some scientists definitely argue that case but increasingly there lots of anthropologists who estimate that of the 150,000 or so years that homo sapiens have been on the scene, and exhibiting 'behavioural modernity' as they call it, over 90% of the time they have lived in pretty egalitarian groupings within and across tribes so from an evolutionary perspective there's nothing really hardwired in us to favour the approach we've adopted today. Sadly the literature on it is all a bit dry so I wouldn't recommend coughing up your hard earned but if you're near a big library that will order stuff in try something like Moral Origins: The Evolution of Virtue, Altruism and Shame by Christopher Boehm. It's an interesting read, well I say interesting but you know what I mean!

 
A working person is someone whose main source of income is salary or pension. Any other definition is divisive - that CEO or MD is being paid, not for the work they do today, but for the 30-40 years of experience they have built to be able to deal with the shit that happens in those roles.

Of course, as you point out, there are plenty who are living pay day to pay day - the long term answer isn’t wealth redistribution through taxation but proper pay - although I’m sure some will say they should budget better given that was their answer for pensioners who would struggle without the WFA.

So how do you get to the point where everyone is 'well-paid' enough to pay their day-to-day expenses and save as well?

I am at a loss to think how that desirable situation could be brought about without government interference. It will certainly not be brought about by the market.

There are already squeals that the minimum wage is 'too high'. The reality is that much employment is so poorly paid that the government has to subsidise it through benefits like Universal Credit and Housing Benefit to make it tenable. The government (I presume) do this because it's cheaper than paying the whole cost of maintaining an unemployed person. Nonetheless, it's undeniably a form of redistribution. (A cynic might say, in favour of poor-paying employers (e.g supermarkets) and landlords.) In other words, it's a form of corporate welfare. But what is the realistic alternative?
 
So how do you get to the point where everyone is 'well-paid' enough to pay their day-to-day expenses and save as well?

I am at a loss to think how that desirable situation could be brought about without government interference. It will certainly not be brought about by the market.

There are already squeals that the minimum wage is 'too high'. The reality is that much employment is so poorly paid that the government has to subsidise it through benefits like Universal Credit and Housing Benefit to make it tenable. The government (I presume) do this because it's cheaper than paying the whole cost of maintaining an unemployed person. Nonetheless, it's undeniably a form of redistribution. (A cynic might say, in favour of poor-paying employers (e.g supermarkets) and landlords.) In other words, it's a form of corporate welfare. But what is the realistic alternative?

It absolutely needs government interference. Ever think you’d hear a Tory say that?!?!!!

Right now the government is interfering by paying working tax credits - that is a clear admission that people are not paid enough. So we have tax payers subsidising corporate profits.

The only solution is to force inflation. There are two levers the government can pull IMHO here, public sector wage rises should prompt some equivalence in the private sector and secondly, more brutally, through taxation - tax profits at 100% for anyone not paying a fair wage (TBD) - obviously some exceptions would apply. I suspect that many of the companies who don’t pay are high street type names who wouldn’t flee the UK and ultimately they would just put their prices up (inflation). It wouldn’t be an overnight thing but rather would need to be introduced over the course of x years to stop it being a shock event and would need some bright sparks to work out the details. It would also be a true Brexit benefit as the workforce is domestic and finite without freedom of movement.
 

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