The Labour Government

[mosssideblue]

I have never been a fan of governments trickle leaking information when it suits them. Shame the new government is doing the same. That said I am concerned that the leaks indicate that this could be a damaging budget for SMEs. We shall see.

Do you know for sure the Government are the ones doing the leaking and not the Civil Servants?

 

[hilts]

And what option would you have recommended? How much would that cost in subsidy compared to other options? Would you have said anything at all if the Tories had just let the whole scheme expire?

Why you throwing the Tories at me? I can quote you all fhe things I've said about the Tories if you like? Is your memory really this bad?

Anyhoo I would have increased the cap in line with inflation. This is not a scheme that costs billions and we were supposed to be improving the accessibility of public transport. Well that was what Labour have been saying forever.

You.dont appear to be Labour yourself anymore Vic. It's quite amusing you threw the Tories at me when you are miles closer to them than I am.

Ttfn

 

[hilts]

You're right, I'm always "making things up" about the price of bus tickets!

I was merely relaying what an expert in the industry was saying were the options once the present subsidy runs out. I'm sure you'll enlighten us on the correct state of affairs.

I suggest you listen to better experts, j mean it seems mad that you thought the only option was scrap or £3. Would £2.20 break the country? How about £2.80. Is there some law against Keir choosing another number?

No offence but its quite frightening how easily people are duped.

 

[ganganvince]

I suggest you listen to better experts, j mean it seems mad that you thought the only option was scrap or £3. Would £2.20 break the country? How about £2.80. Is there some law against Keir choosing another number?

No offence but its quite frightening how easily people are duped.

Or even making the subsided fare equal throughout the country £1.75 in London £2 in Manchester £3 elsewhere.

 

[hilts]

I'll assume you don't know that reimbursement to bus companies for having £2 fares is based on pre-Covid data. The average fare before the capped fare came in was £2.80. Given the increase in bus running costs (esp. wages), commercial average fares would now be well over £3 (and the taxpayers' subsidy would have to be going up to keep it at £2). The scheme is voluntary - so if bus companies don't feel it's worth it, it would die anyway (some never participated, some only did it because competitors on a route did).

The industry has been anxious about an exit strategy for a scheme originally intended to be for a few months.

What Thatcher did is absolutely relevant. Despite this increase in a capped fare, the principle is still the same. If you want taxpayer-subsidised public transport, it would be silly to vote Tory.

Thatcher is not relevant neither is it being a pre covid deal. This is the current Govt they can make whatever decisions they want withing the confines of the law

Things can be changed, a short term scheme dan be extended to whatever length of time they want it to. You are trying to deflect away from the decision by putting up false logic because you can't sell their decision.

That or you are very dim and believe any old shit a politician from your side tells you.

 

[hilts]

Would he fuck!

I vote Green as Vic knows very well, but he fooled you though, congrats on thinking if someone doesn't like a Labour policy they must be a Tory.

Simplistic views by simplistic posters.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Do you know for sure the Government are the ones doing the leaking and not the Civil Servants?

Well obviously I don't, but it is ultimately the Governments responsibility is it not. The buck stops somewhere.

 

[hampshireblue]

I suggest you listen to better experts, j mean it seems mad that you thought the only option was scrap or £3. Would £2.20 break the country? How about £2.80. Is there some law against Keir choosing another number?

No offence but its quite frightening how easily people are duped.

You really are a pedantic git. Whatever the amount of the ongoing subsidy has meant an increase to £3. Yes, they could have subsidised by more from taxation but they have settled for £3. I'm sure you can give us all the figures should they have decided on a different fare? No offence taken on being duped, after all we had 14 years of it!!

 

[mosssideblue]

Well obviously I don't, but it is ultimately the Governments responsibility is it not. The buck stops somewhere.

The Government can only do so much. If. CS wants to drop a story, not a lot can be done to stop it

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

The Government can only do so much. If. CS wants to drop a story, not a lot can be done to stop it

I accept that , it's a small gripe. Let's see what she has to say later today. The detail is the important bit.