The Labour Government

[hilts]

Nice try.

Do you anticipate ending up having to deal with Trump, or do you try to prevent it?

Yeah, I know, you could just leave it to the Americans, but if you think a Trump presidency is a threat to the security of Europe should you "do nothing"?

Yeah once the yanks saw the Labour staff over there they couldn't vote Harris quick enou........

Oh they didnt:-)

Anyhow I'm glad Lammy was willing to have a go at a racist until it became awkward then he went for the wrap around instead. He did it for the country though, once the orange nut ball has made America great again he will put the great back in Great Britain. Why? Because Lammy sent him a tweet. If he hadn't god knows what wrath the small handed bigot would have brought upon us.

What a great example to us all to do the right thing

Labour getting in was certainly better than the Tories I feel but I never envisaged the hilarious bonus of the purples throwing away their previous stated decency.(how quickly a false high horse becomes a lame duck)

To save face on a football forum pmsl.

What's a favourite saying of the purples?

You have to own your vote, priceless haha

Sucking up to a racist is very bad

*unless it's someone on my side obviously

Ttfn

 

[Manc in London]

There will be plenty of leaders around the world holding their noses when they have to deal with Trump. I really hope Labour don't go anywhere near an apology to an individual who has probably never uttered the word "sorry" in his life.

For along time, I have disliked our relationship with the US. The 'relationship' being the UK acting like an over excited lap dog. It's about time we looked more towards Europe than the US as they are our neighbours, we have more in common with them and our interests are more aligned.

In fact, it's probably about time Europe became more self-sufficient both diplomatically and militarily, rather than be part of an unequal relationship with the US.

More rant, than well thought-out and cogent argument.

 

[Manc in London]

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Worth noting that there are people in Trump's staff and the VP, have criticised Trump in the past. While Musk was previously a Democrat.

These kind of people are transactional. They do not hold grudges. They simply do what is best for them at that time.

Let's see what Musk's role is as I would expect the intelligence services (not just US but other Five Eyes nations) will regard him as a security risk. It would be surprising if his role is external facing.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

For along time, I have disliked our relationship with the US. The 'relationship' being the UK acting like an over excited lap dog. It's about time we looked more towards Europe than the US as they are our neighbours, we have more in common with them and our interests are more aligned.

In fact, it's probably about time Europe became more self-sufficient both diplomatically and militarily, rather than be part of an unequal relationship with the US.

More rant, than well thought-out and cogent argument.

The "special relationship" has long given the UK a strategic advantage, being the middle man between the US and Europe.

Being close to both can only be a good thing for us and it shouldn't matter who is in office in the US or UK. We are looking at multi-century horizons here, not some 4 year term where X and Y might not get along great. That'll always happen but it should be irrelevant long term.

A close US-UK-EU relationship is good for the west.

 

[Manc in London]

The "special relationship" has long given the UK a strategic advantage, being the middle man between the US and Europe.

Being close to both can only be a good thing for us and it shouldn't matter who is in office in the US or UK. We are looking at multi-century horizons here, not some 4 year term where X and Y might not get along great. That'll always happen but it should be irrelevant long term.

A close US-UK-EU relationship is good for the west.

Appreciate where you are coming from (my post was more a rant than well reasoned argument :) ) but what relationship do we have with the US? Apart from being a lap dog, of course?

Not quite sure what you mean by middleman between US and Europe but the US seemingly now regard Germany as their main partner in Europe, according to better informed individuals than me. They won't even enter in to a mutually beneficial trade relationship with us.

Just to add....

I am not seriously suggest we abandon the 'relationship' with the US. Rather, work more with Europe.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Appreciate where you are coming from (my post was more a rant than well reasoned argument :) ) but what relationship do we have with the US? Apart from being a lap dog, of course?

Not quite sure what you mean by middleman between US and Europe but the US seemingly now regard Germany as their main partner in Europe, according to better informed individuals than me. They won't even enter in to a mutually beneficial trade relationship with us.

Brexit severely weakened the UK’s position which is why the Americans probably feel more bullish dealing with the EU directly now. Though the state of German politics at the moment, they’re in no position to lecture anyone!

The Americans and Europeans are culturally different and the UK has always had the advantage of being able to better understand both sides. We’re culturally and geographically in the middle.

It might not be as strong as it was 15 years ago but it is still an important partnership in the world that is much bigger than whoever occupies the office.

 

[Manc in London]

Brexit severely weakened the UK’s position which is why the Americans probably feel more bullish dealing with the EU directly now. Though the state of German politics at the moment, they’re in no position to lecture anyone!

The Americans and Europeans are culturally different and the UK has always had the advantage of being able to better understand both sides. We’re culturally and geographically in the middle.

It might not be as strong as it was 15 years ago but it is still an important partnership in the world that is much bigger than whoever occupies the office.

A career in international relations or diplomacy was never on the cards for me. Too emotional :)

 

[bluethrunthru]

Do it

New council housing in England may be removed from right to buy scheme

Angela Rayner says restrictions may be placed on sale of new social housing to prevent loss of stock

www.theguardian.com

 

[bluethrunthru]

The Tories spaffed £700m the nation could ill afford on Rwanda and were happy to take it up to £10 BILLION

Yvette Cooper: Tories spent £700m on Rwanda scheme

The home secretary says the scheme is "the most shocking waste of taxpayers' money I have ever seen".

www.bbc.co.uk

Or you can be a grown up, negotiate and find you can return 9,400 in the first 3 months in office for a fraction of the cost

PM: Closer international collaboration will be key to smashing the criminal gangs who profit from migration misery

A major upgrade in international co-operation is needed to tackle the vile criminal gangs who trade in people’s misery for profit, the Prime Minister will say in Hungary today (7 November).

www.gov.uk

 

[urban genie]

You're love of starmer is wierd where no criticism can be made in your eyes.

he was negative about trump, he should at least have the balls to leep to his conviction when it comes to the orange ****

insinuating my opinion is student politics pretty sad really, show a clear lack of debating skills.

I can say why I think starmer and lammy are what I said, their responses could have been diplomatic while also criticising the man and a sending a strong message we will not be party to amy of his bollocks, instead they backtracked and gave a weak response.


But carry on all who think polittics is about blindly followingno matrer what and not challenging when necessary.


Raynor is also a disapointment with her bollocks about tge vice president too.