The Labour Government

[bluenova]

You only have to look at the population growth. We have had two periods of significant population growth since the war2, a period up until the 1970, the baby boomer period combined with some limited immigration. After this period our population was relatively stable for about 20years. Then we have had a significant popukation increase since the mid 1990s. I assume you are not disputing this later increase in uk population ? If you do not, what do you put this population rise down to? It can be only one of two things? either a sudden increase in uk residents deciding to have more babies or immigration?

Apart from net migration, there are two main drivers in the increase in population - more births and less deaths. Life expectancy increased around 6 years between 1990 and 2020.

1999 was the first year in the 90s, where net migration outstripped changes in the existing population. And you're right, there was a baby boom a few years after that. You can see it on the chart below, just how much births fluctuate (and of course the pattern can repeat, as those 'baby booms' will also produce their own baby booms).

 

[metalblue]

Are you not going to give the task force any credit this next five yrs ? Going for the smugglers is great , as well as talking to european heads and going to come up with a joint plan , much more than the tories did , they seemed to hate working with europe when that is the only sensible thing to do

I’m gonna guess that finding wrongdoing, arresting, building a case, going to court, getting a conviction and sentencing started long before Labour got in to power let alone their much fanfared border force security command that’s barely been setup - I think the chief was only appointed in September.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Regardless, it's still supply and demand that controls rent prices. Which I know you agree with even if it is reluctantly.

Well yeah, but who's reducing the supply?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Apart from net migration, there are two main drivers in the increase in population - more births and less deaths. Life expectancy increased around 6 years between 1990 and 2020.

1999 was the first year in the 90s, where net migration outstripped changes in the existing population. And you're right, there was a baby boom a few years after that. You can see it on the chart below, just how much births fluctuate (and of course the pattern can repeat, as those 'baby booms' will also produce their own baby booms).

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Despite all these minor factors, net migration is the main factor tho, do you not agree?

For example life expectancy also increased up until the 90s. Therefore it wasn't the main driver after.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Well yeah, but who's reducing the supply?

Economics, ie the availability of cheap money is the main reason. And the second is the planing process.

 

[bluenova]

Despite all these minor factors, net migration is the main factor tho, do you not agree?

For example life expectancy also increased up until the 90s. Therefore it wasn't the main driver after.

Not sure how many times I can say, that during the 90s, these "minor factors" were bigger than net migration.

 

[bluenova]

Despite all these minor factors, net migration is the main factor tho, do you not agree?

For example life expectancy also increased up until the 90s. Therefore it wasn't the main driver after.

And going back to an earlier post, how can in increase of 5 million single occupant households over 20 years be a minor factor?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Not sure how many times I can say, that during the 90s, these "minor factors" were bigger than net migration.

I will give you that small crumb that in the early and mid 90s other factors may have been more significant.

But since the mid to late 90s net immigration has been the biggest driver in UK population growth and has driven that growth at greater rate than before. That's a simple fact. I dont see why it so difficult for you to accept.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

And going back to an earlier post, how can in increase of 5 million single occupant households over 20 years be a minor factor?

Those people should be taxed or incentivised out of occupying homes designed for families.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

And going back to an earlier post, how can in increase of 5 million single occupant households over 20 years be a minor factor?

I'm talking about population increase here. That combined with a significant drop in new build completions, I presented the figures in a earlier post today. These are without doubt the main reason for a lack of housing.