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Chippy_boy said:
I'd love them to do that. It's daft that people on e.g. £18k are paying income tax, and even more daft to take money off them and then give them it back with benefits.

And actually, paying for it is quite easy. Cancelling net zero saves a chunk - around £12bn. So they need to find another £38bn.

Set the basic rate of income tax at something like 25p and that raises the rest. Then everyone on under £30k would be better off. Everyone over £30k would be slightly worse off.

Seems fair, and the books balance. That would be fiscally neutral.
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I assume we're talking Reform's tax policy. I don't think "Set the basic rate of income tax at something like 25p and that raises the rest" is part of their offer.
 
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Vic said:
I assume we're talking Reform's rax policy. I don't think "Set the basic rate of income tax at something like 25p and that raises the rest" is part of their offer.
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They haven't said how they would pay for a £20k personal allowance (something that I am 100% dead certain you would be saying was marvellous policy if Labour were proposing it).

I was just suggesting one way it could easily be paid for.
 
Chippy_boy said:
If you lot stop banging on about how you'd like to take more money off people other than yourselves, I wouldn't have anything to moan about.

What would really cheer me up would be if one or two of you stood up and said you'd like to pay more tax. Rather than constantly being generous with other people's money.
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Said for a long while I personally wouldn’t mind paying more tax if it meant better public services.

What I’d rather see though is something done about the disparity in wealth, the boats long sailed on that one though.
 
This got me thinking :

How would people on here feel about a £20k personal allowance and 25p basic income tax rate?

No-one earning less than £20k pays any tax at all.

Anyone earning under £30k takes home more than they do now.

Anyone earning over £30k pays a bit more. Only a tiny bit more obvs if you are earning say £35k. And the maximum extra anyone would have to pay is £1,000. And that's for someone on £50k a year.

I'd say that was pretty fair myself and I would vote for it. I would have to pay the £1k btw.

What do YOU think?
 
Chippy_boy said:
They haven't said how they would pay for a £20k personal allowance (something that I am 100% dead certain you would be saying was marvellous policy if Labour were proposing it).

I was just suggesting one way it could easily be paid for.
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I'm 99.99% certain Labour will not be proposing it.

Raising personal allowance and basic rate might well appeal if the sums balance. And it would boost my gift-aided donations.
 
Vic said:
I'm 99.99% certain Labour will not be proposing it.

Raising personal allowance and basic rate might well appeal if the sums balance. And it would boost my gift-aided donations.
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Blimey - something we agree upon ;-)
 
meltonblue said:
Said for a long while I personally wouldn’t mind paying more tax if it meant better public services.

What I’d rather see though is something done about the disparity in wealth, the boats long sailed on that one though.
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Which would you rather:

a) The rich get much richer and the poor get richer but only a bit - the gap widens

or

b) No-one gets any richer. Perhaps the poor get a bit poorer and the rich get much poorer. The gap narrows.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Which would you rather:

a) The rich get much richer and the poor get richer but only a bit - the gap widens

or

b) No-one gets any richer. Perhaps the poor get a bit poorer and the rich get much poorer. The gap narrows.
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Question
What is the bigger wealth gao
Guy with a Ferrari
Guy with a Ford Fiesta
Guy with no shoes

Those that reckon the £200k to £10k gap is bigger than £10k to sod all haven’t ever had sod all.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Which would you rather:

a) The rich get much richer and the poor get richer but only a bit - the gap widens

or

b) No-one gets any richer. Perhaps the poor get a bit poorer and the rich get much poorer. The gap narrows.
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Neither, obviously. That you think they are the choices is a good example of the way we seemingly think about the issue and politics in general too as a society nowadays.

Everything’s going increasingly binary, which ironically is simultaneously having the effect of killing the two party system we’ve had for so long.
 
GH64 said:
Question
What is the bigger wealth gao
Guy with a Ferrari
Guy with a Ford Fiesta
Guy with no shoes

Those that reckon the £200k to £10k gap is bigger than £10k to sod all haven’t ever had sod all.
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Who said it was? Both need sorting.
 
Chippy_boy said:
This got me thinking :

How would people on here feel about a £20k personal allowance and 25p basic income tax rate?

No-one earning less than £20k pays any tax at all.

Anyone earning under £30k takes home more than they do now.

Anyone earning over £30k pays a bit more. Only a tiny bit more obvs if you are earning say £35k. And the maximum extra anyone would have to pay is £1,000. And that's for someone on £50k a year.

I'd say that was pretty fair myself and I would vote for it. I would have to pay the £1k btw.

What do YOU think?
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its projected to cost £32bn and Farage hasn't said how he would fund it- He couldn't do it out of general taxation because it reduces the amount of tax paid. Fancy another Iceberg moment do you?
 
Vic said:
It doesn't assume anything. There is huge unfulfilled demand for housing, way more than the Labour target. In economic terms, demand is depressed because of high prices, but at the right price there would be more demand. And that's without the housebuilders operating a cartel to share commercial information.
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Aside from your second sentence which is obviously correct. I not sure what you are trying to prove or say. There is no housebuilding cartel. Lol
 
Chippy_boy said:
Which would you rather:

a) The rich get much richer and the poor get richer but only a bit - the gap widens

or

b) No-one gets any richer. Perhaps the poor get a bit poorer and the rich get much poorer. The gap narrows.
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I would suggest that’s a cunts view, and that with that view you are one of those very rich cunts who want the state to keep people alive just to enrich yourself.

Either that or you talk bollocks to get clicks for the site.

Are you rich?
 
Chippy_boy said:
I'd love them to do that. It's daft that people on e.g. £18k are paying income tax, and even more daft to take money off them and then give them it back with benefits.

And actually, paying for it is quite easy. Cancelling net zero saves a chunk - around £12bn. So they need to find another £38bn.

Set the basic rate of income tax at something like 25p and that raises the rest. Then everyone on under £30k would be better off. Everyone over £30k would be slightly worse off.

Seems fair, and the books balance. That would be fiscally neutral.
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It also makes working a minimum wage job a little more appealing versus opting for benefits.
 
Brexiteers are so shit scared something may work and spoil their grift - kudos to Spitting Image though their puppet of what I assume is the late Bill Cash is very good except the dentures of the voice actor keep slipping so its a 7 from this judge

 
bluethrunthru said:
Brexiteers are so shit scared something may work and spoil their grift - kudos to Spitting Image though their puppet of what I assume is the late Bill Cash is very good except the dentures of the voice actor keep slipping so its a 7 from this judge

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Did you not get the @BlueHammer85 memo about constantly moaning?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
What's wrong with that? Have you been on campsite, many have security and fences?
Many people camp in the UK every year, hotels are not compulsory?

As long as the place is clean and safe and they cannot abscond to work illegally what's the problem ?

You see the idea is those who come here to exploit our very lax system and work in our black market wouldnt quite be so keen to come.

Working in France illegally is much harder as they have ID cards. That's the big draw with so many coming to the UK.
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It's another debate but i would have ID cards introduced here in the UK.

The civil liberties argument is lost as Google and other private companies know us down to what time we take a shit if you have the correct smartwatch.
 
TinFoilHat said:
It's another debate but i would have ID cards introduced here in the UK.

The civil liberties argument is lost as Google and other private companies know us down to what time we take a shit if you have the correct smartwatch.
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I would definitely go down the ID card route. Given the size of the UK black market economy these days, I suspect there is likely to be a bigger public uptake on the idea. Especially if it is brought in with a combined approach of crackling down on on illegal working.
 
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