The Labour Government

[blueparrot]

The option were

1) Remain a member of the European Union

2) Leave the European Union

there was no leave but with loads of conditions, it was leave full stop. Lock stock and barrel.

Which campaigner for leave said that ?

 

[blueparrot]

And when you thought the bellend that is Starmer couldn't get any worse he's now giving the vote to 16 year olds.

Works very well and has for years in Scotland thanks.

 

[mosssideblue]

not until you are 18

Yeah ok

 

[mosssideblue]

Fortunately, it’s all relative on here, and we’ve got you and quite a few others ahead of me in that particular pecking order.

On this particular thread you and tweedle dumber are polls ahead in childishness

 

[threespires]

Labour has lost the working class vote, so they're adding another voting pool to secure 'powah' at the next election.

Oh are they going to be in for a shock when they discover who actually is popular amongst the 16-17 demographic... Hint: don't go off what the YouGov and similar polls say, see who is popular on TikTok and social media. Keep Farage and Reform out, Starmer? You just handed it to them on a silver platter.

Though I think that the level of support you mention is overstated it's there and you are not wrong about the danger for Starmer. Labours online strategy rspecially as it relates to young people has gone backwards under him and he doesn't seem to get that it's a problem.

 

[stonerblue]

Do the right thing and vote Reform, you know it makes sense.

How?

 

[stonerblue]

I kind of agree but for me it really is the party of last resort.... there is just nowhere else to go.

In fairness, I don't think Reform would last long if they ever manage to get elected but a good old bloody nose to try and get the main parties to wake up, smell the coffee and get back to basics.

British politics is a total abyss. No direction and not a clue and believe me, this is very widespread view amongst the British public.

thought you'd be going green given how you wanna protect the non existent wildlife and flora from those deadly wind farms?

 

[stonerblue]

The biggest problem with this Labour Government is that they've been totally unprepared for the massive and large scale PR war that they've lost on social media. I've never seen anything like it in my time following UK politics, it's akin to what happened in the US that led to Trump.

I saw a Sun article that went viral (again, third time round now) about how Starmer "worked for free as a lawyer to save baby killers and axe murderers" then listed their incredibly gruesome crimes including burying children alive, dismembering newborns, etc. Then said Starmer worked to save them.
In reality Starmer had never met any of them and didn't work on their cases. He worked for an international advocacy organisation to get the death penalty removed and helped lobby the Governments of these African states to remove the death penalty, which means years later these people were spared a lethal injection. That's how he "saved them".

The constant and ongoing onslaught of completely bullshit news (that a disappointing amount of City fans retweet onto my feed on X) towards this Labour Government is unprecedented. Its much worse than Corbyn got, and they labelled him a terrorist.

Social media is designed for reactionary views in terms of its development and psychology. It's a million times easier to quote a story of a brown person killing someone and saying "deport the Muslims" than it is to quote it and give a context based reply that's informed and constructive. So the "deport the Muslims" hits the algorithm better, gets more engagement and gets wider spread. And normalisation and radicalisation begins.

The centrist and centre-left parties worldwide have yet to deal with this problem. They don't understand the power of memes, the power of these media grifters who string together conspiracies, bad faith commentators only out to inflame rather than inform. Their only weapon against this is censorship or politics of shame and all that does is embolden their causes. You have to fight fire with fire but they don't understand how to do this. I know some pretty high up Labour people to greater or lesser degrees and their social media acumen in this type of meme world is absolutely zero. These are the people who want to ban Pepe the Frog, they are so far out of touch that they may as well be aliens.

Excellent.

 

[Gray]

What age would you class as mature then? The current legal voting age is 18 but I'm sure there are plenty of 18 year olds who haven't contributed taxes to the country. There are people who are much older than that who haven't either

I would’t allow anybody to vote who doesn’t pay taxes.

 

[M18CTID]

I would’t allow anybody to vote who doesn’t pay taxes.

So that's everyone who has an income that is less than the personal tax allowance. That would literally be millions and millions of people, including millions of pensioners

 

[Gray]

At 16 you are able to work and pay taxes though.

Fair enough if you are working and paying taxes. But don’t forget most aren’t and that is mainly down to Tony Blair wanted everybody to stay on at school and then go into further education (kept the unemployment rate down).

 

[Gray]

So that's everyone who has an income that is less than the personal tax allowance. That would literally be millions and millions of people, including millions of pensioners

Sorry should have said who has never paid taxes, my mistake.

 

[BigJoe#1]

thought you'd be going green given how you wanna protect the non existent wildlife and flora from those deadly wind farms?

Silly boy.

 

[Gray]

Can somebody set up a poll on a separate thread to gauge opinion on this change of age for voting?

I have a gut feeling a large majority will be against it.

 

[west didsblue]

I would’t allow anybody to vote who doesn’t pay taxes.

If you mean income tax that’s three quarters of pensioners gone then.

If you mean tax in general, then 7 year olds who go to the shop to buy sweets would be allowed to vote as they will be paying VAT.

Not sure you’ve thought this through.

 

[west didsblue]

Can somebody set up a poll on a separate thread to gauge opinion on this change of age for voting?

I have a gut feeling a large majority will be against it.

Are 16/17 year olds allowed to vote in your poll?

 

[Brewster's millions]

On this particular thread you and tweedle dumber are polls ahead in childishness

You’re the one spitting your dummy out, sunshine.

Can’t take a bit of gentle piss taking of Lammy and Reeves, even when the government is proving as disastrous as it is.

Classic snowflake behaviour.

 

[M18CTID]

Sorry should have said who has never paid taxes, my mistake.

That could be people of any age, not just 16/17 year olds

 

[M18CTID]

You’re the one spitting your dummy out, sunshine.

Can’t take a bit of gentle piss taking of Lammy and Reeves, even when the government is proving as disastrous as it is.

Classic snowflake behaviour.

Says the snowflake who couldn't handle the fact that a poster on here was of the belief that if someone is a **** when they're alive then they're still a **** when they're dead

 

[Metal Biker]

Can somebody set up a poll on a separate thread to gauge opinion on this change of age for voting?

I have a gut feeling a large majority will be against it.

Personally speaking, i'm not really for or against it, I just see through exactly what Starmer is trying to do here and I think it's a stupid idea on the whole.