The Labour Government

[BlueHammer85]

Decent GDP growth number this morning, let’s all hope it continues.

Unless you're the likes of reform coward BigJoe who will never welcome anything positive under the Labour government and continually play the 'well it can't be any worse' card.

 

[Oldham Exile]

A bunch of second rate lefty academics endorse a second rate lefty chancellor - quelle surprise.

We all know what Brown’s lasting legacy for the UK economy was as well - hundreds of billions of pounds of debt and an out of control deficit, all because he couldn’t regulate the banking sector properly.

yep - and don't forget the gold

 

[meltonblue]

So why are so many people planning to do this [vote for Reform]? Can they all be wrong? Or could it be that people are so pissed off (yes that pissed off) with the hypocrisy and lies that we have been subjected to for the last fifteen years plus that Reform look like a better option.

The main Parties and their supporters really do need to ask themselves that question and realise the majority od the support for Reform eminated from their own incompetence and inaequacies.

I know abuse will come my way (bring it on if it gives you satisfaction) but sadly that is the way it is and the mainstream Parties need to get their arses in gear though I believe even at this early stage it is probably too late for them to rescue their position before the next election.

Yes of course they can all be wrong. Electorates vote in bad governments all the time. The 30% will clearly include a fair chunk of people that voted in Labour this time. Given they’ve changed their voting intention within a year, they must feel they were wrong to vote the way they did only a year ago.

On your second paragraph, like I said there are other options aside from reform. The reason they are polling so high and not one of the other parties is because a lot of the electorate agree with their position on key topics and how people judge politics has changed significantly in the last decade in particular, it’s become even more short term ironically, given the current challenges. That and how it is judged in the social media era has changed the landscape too.

If Reform get in, and I think they will, it will be purely because enough people vote to have them and it will be on the people that voted for them, it always is in a representative democracy.

 

[metalblue]

You planning on voting for reform does that, nothing else.

There are other options. I’d strongly suggest checking how reform councillors are doing given you’re now able to see evidence of how well they’d do at governing a country too.

Didn’t Birmingham go bust? You know that one that is Labour run. You can’t really draw any conclusions from it, unless you are going to tell me the UK is about to go bust.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Unless you're the likes of reform coward BigJoe who will never welcome anything positive under the Labour government and continually play the 'well it can't be any worse' card.

Maybe when a significant positive occurs, @BigJoe#1 will welcome it.

I’ve always thought it harsh to criticise someone based on how they might react to hypotheticals and counterfactuals.

 

[metalblue]

Maybe when a significant positive occurs, @BigJoe#1 will welcome it.

I’ve always thought it harsh to criticise someone based on how they might react to hypotheticals and counterfactuals.

To be fair @BigJoe#1 liked the post so….

 

[blueinsa]

Unless you're the likes of reform coward BigJoe who will never welcome anything positive under the Labour government and continually play the 'well it can't be any worse' card.

He has as much right to his opinions as anyone else on here.

Maybe engage with him rather than calling him silly names all the time?

 

[meltonblue]

Didn’t Birmingham go bust? You know that one that is Labour run. You can’t really draw any conclusions from it, unless you are going to tell me the UK is about to go bust.

No, I think that proves my point more!

 

[BlueHammer85]

He has as much right to his opinions as anyone else on here.

Maybe engage with him rather than calling him silly names all the time?

I engage with the plank all the time, he's not interested in genuine debate, he is only here to constantly lambast Labour over anything and pretend he's not a reform Farage lover. anyone with half a brain can see his motive.

 

[metalblue]

No, I think that proves my point more!

That it extrapolates to Labour being incompetent and incapable of running a budget be that at a local level or national level?

 

[metalblue]

I engage with the plank all the time, he's not interested in genuine debate, he is only here to constantly lambast Labour over anything and pretend he's not a reform Farage lover. anyone with half a brain can see his motive.

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[blueinsa]

I engage with the plank all the time, he's not interested in genuine debate, he is only here to constantly lambast Labour over anything and pretend he's not a reform Farage lover. anyone with half a brain can see his motive.

Again, if he wants to vote for Farage that’s his right.

We live in a democracy.

 

[meltonblue]

That it extrapolates to Labour being incompetent and incapable of running a budget be that at a local level or national level?

Well it doesn’t if you look at the whole picture, given more councils have gone bust in the last theee years than in the last three decades and almost half of all of them are at risk of it.

Both main parties, as well as even more so significantly, central government have played their part in that.

That’s to the side though. If you’re arguing that it shows an incompetence on behalf of the local authorities, these are councils that have seasoned councillors with significant experience, regardless of what political persuasion they are. Do people really think that competency will increase by putting in some of the candidates that Reform have now got in positions on local authorities?

 

[metalblue]

Well it doesn’t if you look at the whole picture, given more councils have gone bust in the last theee years than in the last three decades and almost half of all of them are at risk of it.

Both main parties, as well as even more so significantly, central government have played their part in that.

That’s to the side though. If you’re arguing that it shows an incompetence on behalf of the local authorities, these are councils that have seasoned councillors with significant experience, regardless of what political persuasion they are. Do people really think that competency will increase by putting in some of the candidates that Reform have now got in positions on local authorities?

In summary Labour councillors and performance of Labour run councils has no bearing on how a Labour government would run the country. Yet somehow the opposite is true for Reform?

You’ll forgive me for thinking you’re all over the place here.

 

[metalblue]

Decent GDP growth number this morning, let’s all hope it continues.

Given the poor performances of April and May this is a very decent June number, particularly with inflation being a little higher than they want. Hopefully it continues.

 

[meltonblue]

In summary Labour councillors and performance of Labour run councils has no bearing on how a Labour government would run the country. Yet somehow the opposite is true for Reform?

You’ll forgive me for thinking you’re all over the place here.

Let’s leave it then. I thought it was a pretty obvious point I was making but not sure how else to explain it.

 

[BigJoe#1]

I engage with the plank all the time, he's not interested in genuine debate, he is only here to constantly lambast Labour over anything and pretend he's not a reform Farage lover. anyone with half a brain can see his motive.

I guess that excludes you then....?

... sorry you set it up nicely and I couldn't resist the open goal.

 

[Rascal]

The reason I (and a large portion of the country) am voting for Reform is down to the fact that neither Labour, nor Conservatives have done a very good job and are totally pissed off with them.

That does not make one a Farage fanboy... but you guys keep on kidding yourselves and believing if it makes you feel better. The proof of the pudding.... you know the rest.

So you will be voting for reheated Thatcherism, Trussian economics, the destruction of the NHS and overt Nationalism.

Even the lying **** Johnson wasn't that bad

 

[BTH]

Didn’t Birmingham go bust? You know that one that is Labour run. You can’t really draw any conclusions from it, unless you are going to tell me the UK is about to go bust.

While the equal pay claim costs it hundreds of millions, Birmingham City Council was one of many that was starved of funds during 14 years of Austerity, when not a single penny was paid down on the National Debt - a wholly owned Conservative Party Production.

To give you an idea, Manchester was shortchanged by about £500 million. Other, Tory shires were given extra funding, but yeah, Labour-run councils.

I wouldn't bother renewing your discounted three-month Torygraph trial offer if I was you. It's rotting your brain.

 

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The reason I (and a large portion of the country) am voting for Reform is down to the fact that neither Labour, nor Conservatives have done a very good job and are totally pissed off with them.

That does not make one a Farage fanboy... but you guys keep on kidding yourselves and believing if it makes you feel better. The proof of the pudding.... you know the rest.

Are labour and conservatives the only other 2 parties?

What will you do if reform get in and are just as bad?