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Blue Maverick said:
When I left the RAF it was shit pay but I’d had a pension since I was 18, my ex fucked off literally two months later left me with no job, two dogs a mortgage and nothing else, I was royally fucked, but I got a temporary contract with the council on very little, you know what I carried on paying a pension despite that, got a job in a night club 3 nights a week and grafted until i fortunately got in the fire service, again the wage was shit and compared to many others remained shit until I left, everyone thinks we were on £60/70 k a year, when I told them how much I actually got they said they’d never do it for that, again I carried on paying nearly 15% of my wage into a pension. People have nearly 45 years to sort their working life’s out, unless you get a disability there’s no excuse not to get on in something, the same old excuses are meated out same as when I saw a house burned to the ground and we found the owner had no house insurance, ironically the £10 packet of fags that caused the fire would be paid for it! If that guy is working in a pub fair play to them but that should maybe your second job not your first.
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I'm not sure you could have missed the point any more if you tried. This isn't about you and your life and how you did it. Try reading the post again you literally didn't reply to one single part of it.

BTW fireman are not and never have been on shit pay. As a normal grounded poster this is a bit odd from you tbh.
 
hilts said:
I'm not sure you could have missed the point any more if you tried. This isn't about you and your life and how you did it. Try reading the post again you literally didn't reply to one single part of it.

BTW fireman are not and never have been on shit pay. As a normal grounded poster this is a bit odd from you tbh.
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Firefighters have historically been on shit pay, that’s why they went on strike in 77 and again in 2002, in 2002 a fully qualified firefighter got paid £21k, we went on strike to get £30k, we did not get that, it took me 17 years to get to £30k! Someone staring in an office as a PA was getting £28k, so for the job and what it entails it was pretty shit pay. However I knew I could retire earlier and saved for it.
Your post about someone working in a pub, like I said that would be a secondary job, like I did, maybe they are doing it to make ends meet, like I said they have 45 years to sort themselves out, closer to 50 years. The job in a pub is for people staring out or a secondary job whilst getting back on their feet, don’t use it as an excuse when your 70 that the world was against me it doesn’t wash. If your not educated, try bricklaying or manual work, Christ that can lay better these days than office work, you never see a poor bricklayer.
 
Blue and true said:
Strange how our resident Tories have now decided they're compassionate, isn't it? After well over a decade of abandonment our public sectors are finally receiving commensurate pay, it's good to see.
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Personally I'd rather pay train drivers £60,000 a year than the Train Companies £400,000,000 a year for the worst, slowest, most expensive railway in Europe.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Reeves’ remark after dishing out the 20%-plus pay rise to the junior doctors was that the cost of the move was a ‘drop in the ocean’ compared to the cost of industrial action.

Anybody even remotely interested in maintaining a negotiating position would never make a statement like that.
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Unless, of course, they deserved that level of pay rise?
Because these are the Dr's I want to stay in the NHS and look after me when I get old.
Alternatively, we can employ cheap 3rd raters and lose the health service professionalism built up over decades.
 
kaz7 said:
You are funny
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Tommy DeVito : You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

Henry Hill : Just... you know, how you tell the story, what?

Tommy DeVito : No, no, I don't know, you said it. How do I know? You said I'm funny. How the fuck am I funny, what the fuck is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny!
 
Great to see the ‘Labour’ thread getting some well overdue use, was a ghost town when the Tories were in power.

Please, keep those conversations coming ;-)
 
PPT said:
Don't forget your gold-plated, copper-bottomed, index-linked pensions as well. All paid for by who?
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You ARE funny.
Your so deluded that you need sectioned.
The self-servatives destroyed Public Sector pensions meaning the pay more, work longer and get less, despite it being sold to new and prospective staff as a form of deferred pay., and all so that their party owners could siphon off more of the taxpayers money in their luxury yachts to tax havens that are mainly British Protectorates.
 
PPT said:
So a 27% employer contribution isn't a gold-plated, copper-bottom pension scheme?
Wow!
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Ah so it’s jealousy now, now I get it, if it’s so good why is there a recruitment problem in police, nhs and lots of other public service jobs, maybe because the wages are crap in comparison to private sector, however that’s balanced out in a way by a decent pension. If the private sector paid you less but gave you 27% towards your pension how would you feel? The same shite every time the Public sector get something, yet when everything is going smooth in the private sector no one gives a shit.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Ah so it’s jealousy now, now I get it, if it’s so good why is there a recruitment problem in police, nhs and lots of other public service jobs, maybe because the wages are crap in comparison to private sector, however that’s balanced out in a way by a decent pension. If the private sector paid you less but gave you 27% towards your pension how would you feel? The same shite every time the Public sector get something, yet when everything is going smooth in the private sector no one gives a shit.
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He, she or themselves also remit to mention the 35% cut in wages inflicted on the public sector by 14 years of corruption by the Tories
 
Blue Maverick said:
Ah so it’s jealousy now, now I get it, if it’s so good why is there a recruitment problem in police, nhs and lots of other public service jobs, maybe because the wages are crap in comparison to private sector, however that’s balanced out in a way by a decent pension. If the private sector paid you less but gave you 27% towards your pension how would you feel? The same shite every time the Public sector get something, yet when everything is going smooth in the private sector no one gives a shit.
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27% pension contribution is obscene when it’s tax payers money being used. Stop trying to defend the indefensible.
 
law74 said:
You ARE funny.
Your so deluded that you need sectioned.
The self-servatives destroyed Public Sector pensions meaning the pay more, work longer and get less, despite it being sold to new and prospective staff as a form of deferred pay., and all so that their party owners could siphon off more of the taxpayers money in their luxury yachts to tax havens that are mainly British Protectorates.
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Try working in the real world.
 
PPT said:
27% pension contribution is obscene when it’s tax payers money being used. Stop trying to defend the indefensible.
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Wouldn't that depend on whether the whole pay package is excessive? And by avoiding excess, I don't mean that we should race to the bottom with the worst paying private sector employers. I mean by paying fair wages, that ensure staff have a good life, and a good retirement.

As far as taxpayers are concerned, if we assume there's a total amount that the state can afford for a job role, then skewing as much as possible towards a pension is ideal, surely?

The more pensioners who don't need additional financial support, and who have enough money to avoid poverty related ill-health, the better it is for both the pensioner, and for tax payers.
 
I am always amazed at the willingness of Conservative voters to plunder the depths of the lowest achieving private pensions as a target for where public sector pensions should aim. This is not how society grows and develops: you look for the best and then try to work out how you can achieve something similar.
 
oldius said:
I am always amazed at the willingness of Conservative voters to plunder the depths of the lowest achieving private pensions as a target for where public sector pensions should aim. This is not how society grows and develops: you look for the best and then try to work out how you can achieve something similar.
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If they are not getting a decent equivalent pension provision the answer is to lobby their own employers for better or move to someone who will provide better and make it known thats why you are leaving.

Pension provision was one of my must haves in a job which is why I was able to retire at 60 on a modest but reasonable pension.

Jealously attacking those fortunate enough to have a good pension provision just gets them angry and does SFA to improve their own lot.
 
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