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Chippy_boy said:
Can we stop all this pretending that everyone who went outside at all, was a rioter. It's a preposterous suggestion. But I suppose it's something you have to cling to if you are to fall in line with the Starmer lie.
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You're making yourself look silly.

The question is....

How difficult is it to not attend a racist riot?

Answer: Not difficult at all.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Surprised you've not tried to suggest it was not your illustrious leader being caught telling porkies. Do you think it is a deep fake perhaps?

btw, TalkTV is part of News UK- the business that includes The Times, The Sunday Times, The Sun, The Sun on Sunday and The TLS. Also talkSPORT, Times Radio, and Virgin Radio UK
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Ahh, as I said.

Have a great evening.
 
The perfect fumble said:
You're making yourself look silly.

The question is....

How difficult is it to not attend a racist riot?

Answer: Not difficult at all.
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Come off it Fumble, you're one of the more intelligent people on here. It's ludicrous to suggest that every person standing around watching was necessarily far right and necessarily a rioter. That's plainly a silly suggestion - you're above such nonsense.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Why would someone go outside to stand and watch a riot whilst amongst the rioters?

I was in Birmingham on the Wednesday of that hoax and most people stayed indoors and the streets were quiet, and lots of businesses closed.

There was a labour councillor in london who got carried away and incited violence against rioters whilst at a peaceful counterprotest. Not sure you can really peddle the two-tier policing bollocks.

He was immediately charged. You are peddling far-right nutter stuff now. I'm honestly a bit surprised.
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If I am a far right nutter mate, then there's one hell of a lot of far right nutters about. Like literally millions of them. My suspicion is that there are people on here who are so steeped in leftist mantra, they haven't been bothered or taken the time to actually lift their heads up and see for themselves the mood of the nation. This is far from just a few criminal morons throwing rocks at the poiice, and I am really surpised at the people on here who seem hell bent on clinging to that daft idea.
 
Chippy_boy said:
If I am a far right nutter mate, then there's one hell of a lot of far right nutters about. Like literally millions of them. My suspicion is that there are people on here who are so steeped in leftist mantra, they haven't been bothered or taken the time to actually lift their heads up and see for themselves the mood of the nation. This is far from just a few criminal morons throwing rocks at the poiice, and I am really surpised at the people on here who seem hell bent on clinging to that daft idea.
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I said I was surprised. Because whilst I've never had time for your Thatcherite-Trussian views I wouldn't have expected you to peddle far right conspiracy theories.

And yet today we've seen great replacement theory and two-tier policing.

The men in white coats are appearing in the distance.
 
Chippy_boy said:
If I am a far right nutter mate, then there's one hell of a lot of far right nutters about. Like literally millions of them. My suspicion is that there are people on here who are so steeped in leftist mantra, they haven't been bothered or taken the time to actually lift their heads up and see for themselves the mood of the nation. This is far from just a few criminal morons throwing rocks at the poiice, and I am really surpised at the people on here who seem hell bent on clinging to that daft idea.
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Stop nitpicking over the riots, who was culpable and who wasn't, it plays to your opponents strengths, that ship has sailed, those folk are going down and that's that.

The left control the language on immigration, multiculturalism and nativism , but they don't control the debate, their primary tactic is not to debate at all, and the racist riots have handed them a perfect excuse.

You should let it go and move on.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
But no comment on the Starmer lie then? How convenient. Good evening.
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Sorry, what lie?

I was commenting on the media outlets you were citing, and that weird channel that only certain types seem to take notice of. The only thing I know of that channel is that it’s got a load of obnoxious wankers, some who talk about ‘Growing concrete’.

However, I do now understand you as a person more, as my post suggests.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Stop nitpicking over the riots, who was culpable and who wasn't, it plays to your opponents strengths, that ship has sailed, those folk are going down and that's that.

The left control the language on immigration, multiculturalism and nativism , but they don't control the debate, their primary tactic is not to debate at all, and the racist riots have handed them a perfect excuse.

You should let it go and move on.
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Fair enough. I'll leave it, I've said my bit.

However what I will say is that I am certain we've not seen the last of this. The weight of public opinion is IMO now at such a level that this will not go away unless and until the government grasps the nettle and starts talking about it.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Come off it Fumble, you're one of the more intelligent people on here. It's ludicrous to suggest that every person standing around watching was necessarily far right and necessarily a rioter. That's plainly a silly suggestion - you're above such nonsense.
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People standing around watching aren’t the ones being arrested, charged and incarcerated.
The ones chucking bricks, setting fire to things and inciting others are the ones being prosecuted.
If you can find anyone who got arrested just for standing there post the link. The best you’ve done so far is suggest someone got locked up for shouting at a dog but conveniently missing out his incitement of others to commit violent crime.
 
west didsblue said:
People standing around watching aren’t the ones being arrested, charged and incarcerated.
The ones chucking bricks, setting fire to things and inciting others are the ones being prosecuted.
If you can find anyone who got arrested just for standing there post the link. The best you’ve done so far is suggest someone got locked up for shouting at a dog but conveniently missing out his incitement of others to commit violent crime.
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I agree with you that in the main, bystanders have not been arrested. In the main. (The judge who said anyone standing around and watching can expect to be arrested and prosecuted, was certainly not helping!)

But there's people on here trying to claim there are no bystanders, only far right rioters. But as I said above, I've said my bit and no need to go over it ad nauseum.
 
My own thoughts are anyone doing anything from shouting at a dog and those suggesting posting stuff "remotely" kind of lean to the "burn the hotels" and "mass deportations" loonies - the people who claim they far right some how come across ...... well you know
 
Chippy_boy said:
Come off it Fumble, you're one of the more intelligent people on here. It's ludicrous to suggest that every person standing around watching was necessarily far right and necessarily a rioter. That's plainly a silly suggestion - you're above such nonsense.
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Have you forgotten how the riots started?

Your thesis is that people came out to protest about children being killed and would have come out even if the killer had been white.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Really? Are you REALLY that up his arse? Here he is IN MAY saying there's a £46bn black hole, and then once elected, he doesn't know about any black hole and a £22bn black hole has come as a huge shock.

If you can, could you try to explain and justify or even attempt to explain this without looking silly? Go on, give your best shot. I could do with a laugh.

(We can gloss over him clearly criticizing any plans to end the WFA.)
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Please seek help.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Please seek help.
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Or you could answer the question: How do you justify Starmer claiming he knew nothing about the black hole, when he is on video, talking about the black hole in Parliament in May of this year?

It's a simple question.

The fact that your reply is "Please seek help" tells the readers everything they need to know: You have no answer. There can be no other explanation other than he has been caught lying through his teeth. And you don't like to admit that, do you. That you cannot admit it, in the face of blatant evidence, I find rather sad. I thought you might have some principles, but clearly not.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Interesting, I will watch it. Thanks.

Actually though, I am somewhat of a neurtal bystander in this, not a nativist at all. I am fortunate to live in a leafy suburb where there is total social cohesion because everyone is middle class white British. You don't see a non-white face around here, so this whole question was until a few weeks ago, something I never gave a moments thought to. To be clear, I am not saying White British is a solution, merely reflecting that IS the demographic where I live, so no-one ever gives multi-racial social cohesion a passing thought.

Anyway, there's a guy on Youtube - Paul Walsh - who is/was a watch dealer and as I am interested in watches, so I used to watch his channel. But over recent months he's been getting seemingly more and more "racist", which I was finding a big turn off. I even contemplated emailing him to say he needs to give his head a wobble because the problems he kept banging on about do not exist.

But gradually, I have started to realise he has a point. I have come to realise that there are large parts of the country where all is not harmonious. In particular, there are large numbers of Islamists who would if they could, introduce Sharia law. There is clearly a problem is some parts of the country, and not talking about it, is not the solution.
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So you're being radicalised. You could have just switched him off or stuck to the bit about watches. Where's the proof on Sharia law? This is worth a listen:

 
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