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meltonblue said:
I doubt the department for transport are contributing money to the homeless, where’s that from?
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I’ll need to dig up the link, I recall it mentioned £1.6bn increase in local authority spending of which some was going to the extra homeless spending pledges and I may be putting 2 and 2 together as the amounts were the same. Anyway £500m extra is being provided for potholes / local road maintenance- every extra penny helps

www.localgov.co.uk

Budget: Reeves announces £500m for potholes | LocalGov

Chancellor Rachel Reeves has announced an extra £500m a year for local roads maintenance from next year and an ‘interim’ settlement for the national network to keep strategic projects moving.
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Blue Maverick said:
Maybe it’s the type of jobs, many are manual your electricians, plumbers etc that’s why this building if a 1.5 million homes is a total non starter we do t have the people to do it, so unless we open up the borders to allow thise workers in no way you train up all those people, many youngsters probably don’t want to do manual labour either this is where apprenticeships can really help, instead of going to university and getting a degree to work at McDonald’s encourage kids to go into these skilled jobs.
Unfortunately working in the pissing rain isn’t exactly selling it to youngsters many who spend most of the day indoors on a PS5, manual workers can earn a fortune these days but go into any school and there is hardly anything for these sort of skills it’s rightly teaching maths and English but wasting time on religion and to a lesser degree languages when kids from say the age of 14 could be learning skills in building trades using maths etc to show them how useful they are, especially for kids who aren’t academic might steer a generation in the right direction.
University has its place but nowadays it seems very fucker has a degree in some shit subject and yet end up in huge debt serving fries I wonder what the stats are for how many get into really good jobs from the off?
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Dont disagree with any of that mate, but the original question was around people working longer and what's the right the pension age. I fear a lot of the problem, regardless of education, is as much about work ethic than anything.

The business I work for takes on around 150 apprentices a year who are paid around 20% more than the statutory minimum wage for their age along with 25 days paid holiday, bonuses etc. They are given paid day release to learn the necessary skills at local colleges and if capable allowed to go on to study a degree whilst working. We also dont use the 16-18 minimum wage band as its frankly derisory and instead everyone on an apprenticeship from 16 is paid as if they were 18 plus 20% on top.

I was only looking at the stats last week. Out of the last 2 yrs of cohorts more than 25% have been managed out of the business due to what could only be described as not being arsed. Not doing the work they are set, multiple times, in both work or at college, failing drugs and alcohol tests, violent behavior towards customers or other members of staff, not turning up to work over extended periods of time etc.

Now its by no means all and we have had some great success stories, but there is a real problem in society with an increasingly large cohort of people who just dont like the concept of work, never mind not wanting to work outside.
 
Kompany Car said:
Dont disagree with any of that mate, but the original question was around people working longer and what's the right the pension age. I fear a lot of the problem, regardless of education, is as much about work ethic than anything.

The business I work for takes on around 150 apprentices a year who are paid around 20% more than the statutory minimum wage for their age along with 25 days paid holiday, bonuses etc. They are given paid day release to learn the necessary skills at local colleges and if capable allowed to go on to study a degree whilst working. We also dont use the 16-18 minimum wage band as its frankly derisory and instead everyone on an apprenticeship from 16 is paid as if they were 18 plus 20% on top.

I was only looking at the stats last week. Out of the last 2 yrs of cohorts more than 25% have been managed out of the business due to what could only be described as not being arsed. Not doing the work they are set, multiple times, in both work or at college, failing drugs and alcohol tests, violent behavior towards customers or other members of staff, not turning up to work over extended periods of time etc.

Now its by no means all and we have had some great success stories, but there is a real problem in society with an increasingly large cohort of people who just dont like the concept of work, never mind not wanting to work outside.
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The pension age is a conundrum, make people work longer so there are less pensioners and more workers but then there arent enough jobs, when clearly now there are, just depends what you want to do, It’s all very well the twats in power putting up the age but they’ve never worked a manual job in their lives, no fucker wants to be on a building site approaching 60 never mind 70 and not everyone can go into management later on either they aren’t skilled enough academically or there just aren’t the places for everyone. The only way to solve that would be hugely increasing NI to increase pension contributions to allow you to retire earlier or do away with it altogether and allow you to make those decisions for yourself and take responsibility for when you want to retire.
In regard youngster speaking as a relatively young FOC, some I met in the fire service were great but I’d say they reflected society many don’t have the manual skills required or the common sense to deal with things, now I’m not saying all but it’s less than more, also they are very laid back, is it laziness, a devil may care attitude or don’t give a fuck I’ll move on if it suits, frankly I don’t know these days, this isn’t a go at them btw as most are sound pleasant kids but it’s not a job for life for them so I always got the feeling they didn’t care as much, like most things it’s throw away these days.
 
hammocity said:
So a Pensioner on more than £218 a week can't get WFP and you think that's fair "means testing" ? That's taking away over 4% of their annual income.

I don't give two fucks about farmers, they're mostly wadded and are a bunch of moaning cunts who are subsidised to the hilt.

As for the riots, I'd never protest myself but let's have some balance, those twats who assaulted the plod at Manchester Airport have only just been charged, let's see if there's protests when they're in court and see if any protesters are dealt with in a "superb" way.

Starmer is a ****, end of, he's targeted working class pensioners, the demographic he should be protecting, his predecessors would be horrified. Asking some seniors to live on less than £11.5k per year, less than half a worker on min wage will earn is disgraceful for those that may have worked for nigh on 50 years paying NI contributions.
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Whatabout a farming pensioner?
 
Blue Maverick said:
The pension age is a conundrum, make people work longer so there are less pensioners and more workers but then there arent enough jobs, when clearly now there are, just depends what you want to do, It’s all very well the twats in power putting up the age but they’ve never worked a manual job in their lives, no fucker wants to be on a building site approaching 60 never mind 70 and not everyone can go into management later on either they aren’t skilled enough academically or there just aren’t the places for everyone. The only way to solve that would be hugely increasing NI to increase pension contributions to allow you to retire earlier or do away with it altogether and allow you to make those decisions for yourself and take responsibility for when you want to retire.
In regard youngster speaking as a relatively young FOC, some I met in the fire service were great but I’d say they reflected society many don’t have the manual skills required or the common sense to deal with things, now I’m not saying all but it’s less than more, also they are very laid back, is it laziness, a devil may care attitude or don’t give a fuck I’ll move on if it suits, frankly I don’t know these days, this isn’t a go at them btw as most are sound pleasant kids but it’s not a job for life for them so I always got the feeling they didn’t care as much, like most things it’s throw away these days.
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What's a FOC?
 
stonerblue said:
Whatabout a farming pensioner?
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Lol, honestly they're not poverty stricken as they would like you to believe. I used to do the Accounts for a garage, they had a mobile service for tyres, repairs, etc. the owner, a horrible fat bastard (I fell out with him big time and eventually left, I only worked part time) was "friends" with a lot of Farmers who were his customers as well. None of them paid their accounts on time. I sent a LBA to one of them after he'd not paid his account in nearly a year. He complained to Fatty who came storming into the office saying you can't threaten my "friends". I told him they're not friends, they're just using him as an interest free credit facility, that was the beginning of the end.

This particular farmer, like most others, drives a high end Range Rover, had a huge farm with loads of expensive plant and machinery and a huge farm house, subsidies from the Government and paid staff the minimum wage, a real horrible bastard.

The garage I worked for is in Dukinfield, the owner liked to "slap the arse" of his customers where he thought he could get away with it.
 
hammocity said:
Lol, honestly they're not poverty stricken as they would like you to believe. I used to do the Accounts for a garage, they had a mobile service for tyres, repairs, etc. the owner, a horrible fat bastard (I fell out with him big time and eventually left, I only worked part time) was "friends" with a lot of Farmers who were his customers as well. None of them paid their accounts on time. I sent a LBA to one of them after he'd not paid his account in nearly a year. He complained to Fatty who came storming into the office saying you can't threaten my "friends". I told him they're not friends, they're just using him as an interest free credit facility, that was the beginning of the end.

This particular farmer, like most others, drives a high end Range Rover, had a huge farm with loads of expensive plant and machinery and a huge farm house, subsidies from the Government and paid staff the minimum wage, a real horrible bastard.

The garage I worked for is in Dukinfield, the owner liked to "slap the arse" of his customers where he thought he could get away with it.
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And i know lots of rich pensioners..
 
stonerblue said:
And i know lots of rich pensioners..
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So do I but I also know quite a few who are struggling with the cost of living increases, it's not something to point score against, it's a problem for those.

As Martin Lewis said the WFP should have gone to those pensioners living in Council Tax Band C or less, my bolt on to that would be also don't give it to any Seniors who are in the 40% tax bracket. It's not foolproof but it would have ensured the money went to the less well off in our society, surely that's a socialist ethos that Starmer has completely ignored.
 
hammocity said:
So do I but I also know quite a few who are struggling with the cost of living increases, it's not something to point score against, it's a problem for those.

As Martin Lewis said the WFP should have gone to those pensioners living in Council Tax Band C or less, my bolt on to that would be also don't give it to any Seniors who are in the 40% tax bracket. It's not foolproof but it would have ensured the money went to the less well off in our society, surely that's a socialist ethos that Starmer has completely ignored.
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Generally Tax band C or less will be smaller houses that are cheaper to heat so I’m not understanding the logic of using that as a measure. Someone loaded living in a small house needs it less than anyone.
 
west didsblue said:
Generally Tax band C or less will be smaller houses that are cheaper to heat so I’m not understanding the logic of using that as a measure. Someone loaded living in a small house needs it less than anyone.
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It's general heating costs, my Dad lived in a Band C house, he worked all his life paid into the system, the last 30 years for Tameside Council, he had a private pension of £600 a month and a State Pension of about £700 a month when he passed in 2022 at the age of 89. His heating was on all day most months of the year. His bills had risen to £140 when he died, would probably be near £250 now, that would have been 19% of his income, the WFP would have helped, I don't understand why you constantly question my POV.
 
hammocity said:
It's general heating costs, my Dad lived in a Band C house, he worked all his life paid into the system, the last 30 years for Tameside Council, he had a private pension of £600 a month and a State Pension of about £700 a month when he passed in 2022 at the age of 89. His heating was on all day most months of the year. His bills had risen to £140 when he died, would probably be near £250 now, that would have been 19% of his income, the WFP would have helped, I don't understand why you constantly question my POV.
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Because he desperately needs to sell the withdrawal policy as not being cruel to certain pensioners.
 
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