The Labour Government

tweety said:
Let's call them what they really are, Pakistani Rape gangs.
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What's your social media content.

AI pictures of a half naked tommeh wearing a UK bucket hat whilst holding the lead of a British bulldog that's got it's jaw clamped around the leg of someone who looks a bit different?
 
tweety said:
Let's call them what they really are, Pakistani Rape gangs.
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No they're not, they're grooming gangs. And not all brown people are Pakistani either.

Grooming is a criminal offence. It's not a nice word, the laws around it are incredibly specific to this issue and in child social work, it is taken as seriously as murder.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Is that Andrew Tate the sex trafficker. Lol
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Andrew Tate recently declared he was was going to run for Prime Minister (you cannot run for PM, its not a position elected by the electorate) and in that same post spelled Britain incorrectly.
It's yet another grift from a man who is essentially a real life wrestling character.

This supports my long held view that a good understanding of wrestling story telling techniques and tropes is the perfect political education. Goodnight BLUEMOONERS and jabronie marks without a life that don't know it a work when you work a work and work yourself into a shoot,marks.
 
hilts said:
I don't believe the debate is on the issues, I believe the debate is if we have gone about as far as we can doing what we do. Do politicians look at what is needed to satisfy the needs of the modern generation and realise its not possible to achieve.
How do you prioritise when everything is pretty much a priority? If the public can't or won't accept the realities do you tell them anyhow or do you pretend you can fix it, come up with some slogans, lie A lot do a term or two with a nice salary then fuck off with all the accrued benefits.
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So debate that. You are obviously a very clever and sharp person ( who sometimes comes up with funny turns of phrases to put down your political opponents!) That's all part of political debate and often amusing. Put forward your ideas, put forward your opinion, let others pick the holes in your opinion.

On your main point of politicians lying. If you can come up with a better political system than 1 man 1 vote then I am all ears.
 
Palerider said:
So debate that. You are obviously a very clever and sharp person ( who sometimes comes up with funny turns of phrases to put down your political opponents!) That's all part of political debate and often amusing. Put forward your ideas, put forward your opinion, let others pick the holes in your opinion.

On your main point of politicians lying. If you can come up with a better political system than 1 man 1 vote then I am all ears.
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1 man/woman 1 vote is a cornerstone of democracy but unfortunately in our system every vote is not equal. If a politician and their party need a certain amount of support and they cannot help everyone then they need to pick certain demographics. The demographic they picked would often coincide with the group they felt they belonged to.
The secret, because we as a country are divided, is to convince enough of the group that would normally vote for the other lot that you are actually on their side. You can help them whilst also not damaging your own.
This is why the Tories put the ills of the world towards the neediest and Labour put it on the very rich. Middle England belongs to neither, its just a case of convincing enough of them you're right.
This time however due to a spectacularly inept govt and failing public services it didn't take as much of an effort. Although you will note that Starmer felt the need to ram home economic prudence daily.

Personally I would have PR with limited MPs and redraw our counties if needed and have Mayor's with greater powers. Unfortunately this is where any discussion ends because MPs ain't gonna fall on their own sword and the public continue to vote for the current system and then take a side.

The only way for meaningful improvement.is if we are actually all in it together and there is a long term plan. 5 year election cycles and the public make this impossible because each group will.argue that they already do their bit.

As we continually recognise and need more and more services at more cost my feeling is its getting to the point where running a country is becoming an almost impossible task. We are being blagged constantly with a fresh new future. Its like being a Rag since the good old days went, every new manager is the turning point with all the answers-)

People have said I'm negative about it but I'm not I can just see the repetitive nature of it all. After the election I said posters would just flip their position.

Labour will blame the Tories just as the Tories tried to blame Labour. Labour supporters will support the kind of moves that they would berate the Tories for and vice versa. The Tories will have a fit when any group don't get financial support and Labour will mention money tress and stability. It's just groundhog day.

The only slight positive is that I find it hard to believe Labour will be as bad as the Tories but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be talked about. They wanted it, they sold a much better future. They will rightly be judged on that rather than just being a bit less shit.
 
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jonny689 said:
It’s just words though, if she really cared why block a public enquiry?! Just another lying two faced politician saying one thing and doing the complete opposite!

Those who are complicit in the cover up should be held accountable!
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After the next enquiry , I think we should spend another 200 million on another one, and one more after that - what do you reckon ?
 
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