The Labour Government

[shackattack]

A lot of people who into care and social work do it to help and care for others. They are took advantage of by the companies that run them on behalf of the government of day Overworked and underpaid until they become ill and require the care and support they were employed to give.

Fucking capitalism.

It's a shit and fucked up world if politicians think that care and dignity of others shouldn't be afforded to everyone because of "cost". Theses same fuckers wont feel the abandonment millions will feel because they can afford to pay to have it in their later lives.

I'm under a mental health support team for the damage my employer has caused. Despite me telling them the impact it has they have continued to discipline and bully me as a way of forcing me out of the company. Because I challenge them and they don't like it

 

[TinFoilHat]

Fascists. I assume you're comparing Farage to Hitler and Mussolini? You need to get a grip.

Not really. Because he is.

But that belongs in his own thread whilst I despair at the party created by my trade union becomes the centre right tory party.

 

[TinFoilHat]

I'm under a mental health support team for the damage my employer has caused. Despite me telling them the impact it has they have continued to discipline and bully me as a way of forcing me out of the company. Because I challenge them and they don't like it

You're not alone.

I'm constantly challenging my employers gaslighting. They sent out an email saying how much they support mental health awareness week today. I've been invited for tea and biscuits with my line manager for my reply.

 

[Kompany Car]

I think most of us will bet on 2025 - infinty being a shit show! More seriously, in a more and more competitive world where the West and it's workers want to retire at 20 to travel the world. Just where is any growth going to come from?

Unfortunately growth needs to come from government spending in the first instance, which then makes the UK attractive. Cheap energy, fast internet, highly skilled workers trained at world class educational facilities in real hands on work (not just academic), fast and cheap public transport etc.

The never ending underinvestment in these areas particularly since 2008 has seriously impacted the UK. Brexit obviously didn’t help, but the rot was already taking hold before then.

You are never going to compete when it comes to wages with other parts of the world so you have to compete on quality, innovation and making it easy to do business.

As regards retiring early most of the issue is western corporate bullshit that grinds people down. The vast majority of people when they hit their late 50s just want to do their job and deliver a quality product. Instead we have never ending lists of “corporate values” that they want people to demonstrate, you know that same 5 word list that every company has but pays a team of management consultants a small fortune to come up with. Then there’s the needlessly complicated governance procedures and of course the question of “how are you going to champion” diversity and inclusion and demonstrate your commitment to it from HR. The latter are all well and good until it affects the bottom line and then it’s turn a blind eye to it (e.g. accepting contracts in places, where people from certain communities are persecuted).

 

[BobKowalski]

Fascists. I assume you're comparing Farage to Hitler and Mussolini? You need to get a grip.

*cough*

Nigel Farage to campaign for far-right AfD

Brexiteer will appear alongside Beatrix von Storch in Berlin.

www.politico.eu

Incidentally, the Afd have been officially classified as far-right extermists. Or fascists in old money.

As they say, judge a man by the company he keeps or votes for.

 

[hilts]

They won't stoop to the MAGA low.

Just heading in that direction is not what people voted Labour for though. We are in a pickle if someone can and succeeds in lying to their members to become leader of the party, lie to Labour voters to win an election then lie to stay in power in reaction to the first sign of trouble at local and mayoral elections.

 

[hilts]

No chance they'll become them but what I would say is that some of the rhetoric we're hearing this morning is straight out of the Reform playbook and I for one am not comfortable with that.

Anyway, I'm sure Farage will pipe up shortly and say he fully supports Starmer on this.....or maybe not!

Thank you for your honest reply mate.

 

[meltonblue]

Just heading in that direction is not what people voted Labour for though. We are in a pickle if someone can and succeeds in lying to their members to become leader of the party, lie to Labour voters to win an election then lie to stay in power in reaction to the first sign of trouble at local and mayoral elections.

Have they lied in reaction to the locals? Reducing net migration was in their manifesto and the white paper was always due now.

The rhetoric accompanying it has cleary changed in response.

 

[shackattack]

You're not alone.

I'm constantly challenging my employers gaslighting. They sent out an email saying how much they support mental health awareness week today. I've been invited for tea and biscuits will my line manager for my reply.

The company I work for has done more damage to my mental health over the last 12 months than a lifetime of supporting Everton ever has. One of their mission values is brave and challenging!!
They don't realise the irony of not extolling the virtues they purport to attain and aspire to. Good luck and hope your mental health improves

 

[hilts]

Have they lied in reaction to the locals? Reducing net migration was in their manifesto and the white paper was always due now.

The rhetoric accompanying it has cleary changed in response.

I never said they lied on every policy in every election or party leadership. There are comments though posted over the last few pages of what Starmer said previously about immigrants. I suppose we could post his previous comments about WFA or PIP

It would be total dishonesty for anyone on here to say these things have been championed on a regular basis by Starmer and his team. Plenty of Labour MPs members and voters will be feeling very uneasy, any long standing Labour supporter on here saying otherwise is plainly lying.
Some will hide away like with WFA and PIP or deflect with Farage etc....

What is the point in spending years debating policies when posters will just ignore everything they have previously said. Were some of you not expecting at least a bit more than this shit.

I'm probably as much against population growth as anyone on here but if some of you aren't annoyed at his rhetoric then it's a bad day.

People got a bit pissy when I said they were turning blue, I'm not sure what else you can call this really.

This is not aimed at you btw.

 

[Don Karleone]

I honestly thought what he said today might make some of his supporters rethink their opinion of him. Silly me.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Growth will come from a totally unexpected area that no one foresaw - or immigrants doing the jobs no one in the west wants to do. I mean, for a young person do you a) want to look after old people or b) earn a dime off YouTube/Tik Tok/Only fans etc.

My guess is that the next few years will see modest growth, but events will dictate what happens. No one really saw Brexit, a pandemic or a war in Ukraine on the horizon, so my actual answer is: fuck knows.

My only expectation from this Government is reasonably competent stewardship of the economy and country. Something that has been absent since 2016 when we set fire to ourselves and the Tory party combusted trying to simultaneously believe in two incompatible articles of faith. One. That they were the party of Brexit. Two. That they were the party of the economy and business. Result. A wild descent into insanity and increasingly weird leaders.

Today’s immigration announcement was about politics not stewardship and trying to reset the narrative. I doubt it will work anymore than Trump trying to bring back manufacturing to the US or any other batshit nonsense everyone seems keen to try these days. Thankfully, they haven’t imposed hard caps or annual targets just an end of term promise which will likely bite them in the arse.

Reasonably competent may be a stretch…

 

[meltonblue]

I never said they lied on every policy in every election or party leadership. There are comments though posted over the last few pages of what Starmer said previously about immigrants. I suppose we could post his previous comments about WFA or PIP

It would be total dishonesty for anyone on here to say these things have been championed on a regular basis by Starmer and his team. Plenty of Labour MPs members and voters will be feeling very uneasy, any long standing Labour supporter on here saying otherwise is plainly lying.
Some will hide away like with WFA and PIP or deflect with Farage etc....

What is the point in spending years debating policies when posters will just ignore everything they have previously said. Were some of you not expecting at least a bit more than this shit.

I'm probably as much against population growth as anyone on here but if some of you aren't annoyed at his rhetoric then it's a bad day.

People got a bit pissy when I said they were turning blue, I'm not sure what else you can call this really.

This is not aimed at you btw.

Appreciate the last sentence given I’m not a Labour voter!

I was purely talking about the reaction to the locals, I don’t think it’s altered their policy as they were always going to implement something similar to what they’ve said today. Like I said, I think it’s changed the rhetoric, which is deserving of criticism in itself.

 

[hilts]

Appreciate the last sentence given I’m not a Labour voter!

I was purely talking about the reaction to the locals, I don’t think it’s altered their policy as they were always going to implement something similar to what they’ve said today. Like I said, I think it’s changed the rhetoric, which is deserving of criticism in itself.

Reducing immigration as a policy doesn't really mean anything, what amount? Is it against that remarkable 700,000 we had recently? Its been promised before with the Tories never ending tens of thousands bollocks. But like you said about rhetoric that should be a bit of a nightmare for his party and supporters.
The kind of language would have been berated on here as Facist, racist right....... etc...

It seems to have gone quiet from them now, thats pretty depressing when people cannot bring themselves to break ranks even when the stuff you have been calling out for years comes from your own guy.

Anyhow it's all a bit depressing I'm not sure I can even be arsed countering the pathetic deflecting when it comes.

Hard to see where all this is heading.

 

[BobKowalski]

Appreciate the last sentence given I’m not a Labour voter!

I was purely talking about the reaction to the locals, I don’t think it’s altered their policy as they were always going to implement something similar to what they’ve said today. Like I said, I think it’s changed the rhetoric, which is deserving of criticism in itself.

Agree on policy. The rhetoric is appalling and unnecessary.

 

[meltonblue]

Reducing immigration as a policy doesn't really mean anything, what amount? Is it against that remarkable 700,000 we had recently? Its been promised before with the Tories never ending tens of thousands bollocks. But like you said about rhetoric that should be a bit of a nightmare for his party and supporters.
The kind of language would have been berated on here as Facist, racist right....... etc...

It seems to have gone quiet from them now, thats pretty depressing when people cannot bring themselves to break ranks even when the stuff you have been calling out for years comes from your own guy.

Anyhow it's all a bit depressing I'm not sure I can even be arsed countering the pathetic deflecting when it comes.

Hard to see where all this is heading.

Not in a good direction!

 

[Earlyriser]

I think most people welcome those that come here legally, particularly to work.
The focus should be on those where we don't know their true identity and history. Whilst I understand there are some genuine people that come from absolute war torn shit holes and "packing your passport" isn't exactly feasible, there are also loads of risks associated with letting anyone in based on a story that can't be verified.

I know that Labour focused on this group at the beginning but in now changing the narrative it makes me feel like they are admitting defeat with that. Which is understandable because it's much easier to control legal migration.

Those coming in to work in the care sector are a soft target where they can in the short-term show results. The impact/damage will be considerable. Those who come on boats cannot be controlled. One area they should clamp down on are the supposed students who enrol in dodgy colleges and then disappear into the black economy.

 

[Really_here]

Starmer pulls another leaf out of Tony Blair's book, tell people what you think they want to hear and hope they forget what you've said before....

 

[Earlyriser]

I live in a southern coastal town where the employment options are very limited. It's either tourism or working in a care home or assisted living places. Because it's so flat it's a highly attractive place for seniors. What I do see is the number of vacancies in care and in relation to those who have severe disabilities that their one to one supporters are always from overseas. Given we have an ageing population and an obesity crisis I really cannot understand what landscape Starmer is viewing

 

[bluenova]

Laid their own trap today.

That line promising migration will go down every year up to the election will be used over and over by the fascists and Tories come the next GE.

I thought Starmer refused to say that earlier - or did they agree later on?

I'd be surprised if it didn't though. Even with freedom of movement, net migration averaged around 250,000. Having hit around 900,000 just two years ago, there's a hell of a lot of room for it to come down.