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Churchlawtonblue said:
Now their parents don't have jobs so the children are more likely in poverty ?

Are you really trying to justify closing down an major employer using this metric. It's looking desperate Vic.

Sometimes its best to put your hands up and say yes that was a mistake. We both know you would definitely be saying that if the Conservatives were still in power.
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In fairness I've been to Port Talbot several times, drinking with the locals, good times but environmentally it won't be missed.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Yes definitely worth the investment, the only issue will be the inevitable woeful mismanagement that seemingly comes with all UK infrastructure projects. Crossrail, Hinckley Point, HS2 and the 2nd Dartford Crossing amougst many others are all massively over budget and behind schedule by years.
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TBF it’s not just government. There is seemingly a western disease that projects come in over budget and over time, be that government or corporate projects.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Now their parents don't have jobs so the children are more likely in poverty ?

Are you really trying to justify closing down an major employer using this metric. It's looking desperate Vic.

Sometimes its best to put your hands up and say yes that was a mistake. We both know you would definitely be saying that if the Conservatives were still in power.
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I suspect the coming months will see many posts on here extolling the virtues of falling employment.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
fullfact.org

Is Labour right to claim there’s a £22 billion ‘black hole’ in the public finances? – Full Fact

It’s been a key government claim since the election and featured heavily in the Budget - but what does it actually mean?
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Thought I would just post this as the Chancellor has again been blaming the £22B so called black hole she says she inherited for today's dissapointing GDP figures.
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Maybe not quite 22B, how about NHS on its knees, doctors on strike, trains grounded to a halt, crumbling health and school buildings, prisons at breaking point and much much more.
 
Vic said:
But not to the children with breathing problems.

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WHO finds Port Talbot 'most polluted' place in the UK - Welsh Business News

Data released today by the World Health Organisations shows that South Wales steel town, Port Talbot has the worst levels of air pollution in the UK. However, it isn’t only in South Wales that residents should be concerned. 47 towns and cities across the UK were found to either match or exceed...
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If ever you're in the Port Talbot area why not nip into one of the working mens clubs and let them know that although they're now living in relative poverty because they've lost their jobs, their kids should be able to run the 100 metres a little bit quicker.
Do you actually live in the real world?
 
hilts said:
Who came up with that figure? Hope it wasn't the same guy who gave the original.

The world we live in, quote figures say its good it's only billions over then quote another figure expecting people to accept said figure even though future guestimates are also generally wrong.

Quicker just to say listen I will believe what figures suit my argument.
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Crossrail opened in 2022. £18.8 billion was the final cost against a budget of £14.8 billion.
 
tweety said:
If ever you're in the Port Talbot area why not nip into one of the working mens clubs and let them know that although they're now living in relative poverty because they've lost their jobs, their kids should be able to run the 100 metres a little bit quicker.
Do you actually live in the real world?
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I'd also mention to them that they voted Leave and got what they wanted. They ended their status as the region that got around 25% of the EU Structural Funds that was allocated to the entire UK. They went from £2.4bn to levelling up funding from the Tories of £375m. Maybe thats why they are poor.
 
BobKowalski said:
Crossrail opened in 2022. £18.8 billion was the final cost against a budget of £14.8 billion.
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My mistake misread the original post, apologies. Still think if everything comes in over budget and 25% over is good then maybe they should be a bit more honest when saying blah de blah will cost so and so.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I'd also mention to them that they voted Leave and got what they wanted. They ended their status as the region that got around 25% of the EU Structural Funds that was allocated to the entire UK. They went from £2.4bn to levelling up funding from the Tories of £375m. Maybe thats why they are poor.
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Brexit is still whizzing around your head 9 years later, unbelievable. I would have expected as a socialist you'd have some empathy with your labour voting friends in South Wales.
 
metalblue said:
TBF it’s not just government. There is seemingly a western disease that projects come in over budget and over time, be that government or corporate projects.
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It's mostly Government, Guangos and LAs tho. Having worked mostly in private development but also involved in a fair share of public sector works, the way the two opperate are poles apart imo. Their is definitely an attitude of its not our money so it's doesn't matter if we over spec and over spend on projects.
 
tweety said:
Brexit is still whizzing around your head 9 years later, unbelievable. I would have expected as a socialist you'd have some empathy with your labour voting friends in South Wales.
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No - I have no sympathy for idiots who vote against their own interests
 
tweety said:
It's a shame that the labour party only exists in name, it's difficult to categorise now, it's certainly not the party of the working class.
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do you mean the Labour Party? What brings you to that conclusion? 500k more kids getting free school meals - workers rights restored and protected in new bill - £39bn for social housing. I could go on but I am sure you know all this and think its the actions of a Conservative Govt.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
It's mostly Government, Guangos and LAs tho. Having worked mostly in private development but also involved in a fair share of public sector works, the way the two opperate are poles apart imo. Their is definitely an attitude of its not our money so it's doesn't matter if we over spec and over spend on projects.
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Perhaps mate. Firm I work for we are going about £1bn over on a project that was supposed to cost about £1bn in the first place - plenty of very valid reasons. There gets a point you’ve put so much cash in you can’t stop.
 
Vic said:
You wouldn't expect Conservatives to go against market forces, would you?

How many loss-making blast furnaces would you want the government to subsidise?

It's not even a "cast iron" security case for having the ability to produce our own raw steel, not when an enemy could sink all the ships bringing us iron ore and coal.
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Wow, wow,wow...
In the last week or so you have defended the record of Gordon Brown, supported the establishment stitch up to overturn Brexit and return to the bosom of the Capitalist / Globalist cabal in Brussels and now supporting the closure of a Steelworks of strategic importance that support an entire community of working people because it makes a loss and causes pollution ( its a steelworks!) . What happened to seizing control of the means of production ?
Sounding less Revolutionary and more Centrist Dad by the day !
 
Hertzblue said:
Wow, wow,wow...
In the last week or so you have defended the record of Gordon Brown, supported the establishment stitch up to overturn Brexit and return to the bosom of the Capitalist / Globalist cabal in Brussels and now supporting the closure of a Steelworks of strategic importance that support an entire community of working people because it makes a loss and causes pollution ( its a steelworks!) . What happened to seizing control of the means of production ?
Sounding less Revolutionary and more Centrist Dad by the day !
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We've been closing unprofitable steelworks for decades. Ravenscraig, Consett, Brymbo. Sheffield ("Steel City") lost 50,000 steel and engineering jobs in Thatcher's first four years.

Don't lecture me on socialist principles. Good grief, Labour has just effectively nationalised the last blast furnaces in the UK - the Tories would have let Scunthorpe close. (Oh, sorry, they'd have negotiated with the Scunthorpe owners just like they'd negotiated with the Port Talbot owners, with Badenoch saying Labour had "let the unions dictate their action".)

The hypocrisy of some people, criticising Labour for actually doing what their Tories had conspicuously failed to do, and oblivious to the whole Thatcherite shtick of letting old industries die (latterly replicated by perhaps the only economist who supported Brexit and expected it to kill manufacturing in the UK). Get a grip,
 
bluethrunthru said:
do you mean the Labour Party? What brings you to that conclusion? 500k more kids getting free school meals - workers rights restored and protected in new bill - £39bn for social housing. I could go on but I am sure you know all this and think its the actions of a Conservative Govt.
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Well said, just because Labour are not far left nor far right people will assume they have no principles- how about they just want the best for everyone ?
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
Well said, just because Labour are not far left nor far right people will assume they have no principles- how about they just want the best for everyone ?
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Reeves spending plans are a disaster - is that why the FTSE 100 finished on a high and the pound is up about 8% against the dollar? The markets are clearly as rattled as much as they were post the Truss fiscal event
 
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