The Labour Government

Re Cult-like behaviour.
Exactly that .
You can see the same behaviour in the approach to Trans, Immigration, Welfare , Palestine etc Ever onwards, no pause for reflection, no doubt, no concern for the viewpoint of the majority. No matter the cost , just occupy what they believe is the moral high ground ( a belief often misplaced)
Posting an alternative view is putting yourself into a chat room zombie apocalypse scenario, they come at you and keep coming , no matter how many arm or legs you chop off, they are impervious to it.
That's a bit odd. To get to a majority you usually have to start with a minority and persuade others, and that usually involves saying their existing view is wrong.

For a start, what's the majority view on immigration? Ask whether immigration to the UK is too high you'd likely get a majority saying yes, but ask whether on the whole immigration is a good thing for Britain and you'd get an even split between good, bad, and "neither good nor bad". And I'm guessing that somehow you think a majority of people are in favour of genocide against the Palestinians.
 
Some posters on here have suggested that they're ok with a rise in income tax or NI. However, Labour pledged pre-election that neither would rise, hence why I think they're looking at all these other ways of raising money. Trouble is, they've only succeeded in pissing millions of people off anyway which has led to them rowing back on things like the WFA and offering all these concessions in last night's bill. While those rethinks - u turns even - are ultimately good news for many, the optics aren't good at all. A rise in income tax or NI is the obvious answer and would've been simpler to implement but it was pretty much their main pre-election pledge not to do it so the backlash would be off the scale if they backtracked on that one.

I don't think the previous government helped because it's my belief that they "winged it" a fair bit in those last 12-18 months or so by cutting NI not once, but twice, in a last-ditch attempt to win votes but they ultimately knew that they couldn't really afford to do that. IIRC, they were also talking about a further NI cut but by then they probably knew they weren't getting back in anyway so effectively could promise what they wanted. As you say though, Labour have pretty much backed themselves into a corner by ruling out rises in income tax, NI, and VAT.
I couldn't agree more. Maybe they should have left potential tax rises on the table and probably still got a 100 seat majority.

I'm still wating for a couple of the more vociferous posters on here to suggest which personal taxes they would be prepared to see rise or which services they are prepared to forego. I don't quite understand their reticence to be open about it. Unless of course, some are realising that their vote in 2016 has partly contributed to the economy being in the state it is.
 
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I've just read that article. McDonnell makes some good points regarding the optics but a lot of the other stuff - such as the silencing of dissenters and re-establishing democracy within the party - could be levelled at the Labour party when Corbyn and he were in charge so he'd have been better off steering clear of that particular line of criticism.
I agree, yes.

As I said it’s the first half which is worthy of attention; the second part is of much narrower appeal and in truth is the sort of grievance you would probably find in most political groups.
 
So I was correct that you previously didn’t post multiple sources and now you’ve found another source you can pretend I was wrong.

Edit: And now, having glanced through the rebuttal posted above, it appears your initial source was based on your second source. So we’re back to just one, and that appears to be unreliable.
You win. As I said earlier, no-one's leaving it was all a lie. And Labour are doing brilliantly. Hope they carry on in such good form.
 
She looks absolutely wiped out. Not not nice seeing. The close-ups really are telling.
its awful viewing-Irrespective of political views its really not nice seeing someone in the public eye look completely broken. I hope she has support around her-and whilst it may be completely unrelated to her job,if it is she'd be better to walk away and leave this shit for someone else.
 
The whole Labour party swims in a sea of dishonesty.

Our Keith has been dishonest since he was elected as party leader.
Not all of it. I'd reckon it's around 70% and that's on the PLP. They had thousands of good activist and potential proper labour MPs whom Starmer, and his Blairite bullies have pushed out legally and illegally.

There's a fringe party of fascists gaining traction we need a party of the left more than ever to at least to help keep the big three in check.
 
its awful viewing-Irrespective of political views its really not nice seeing someone in the public eye look completely broken. I hope she has support around her-and whilst it may be completely unrelated to her job,if it is she'd be better to walk away and leave this shit for someone else.
If that’s what the job is doing to her then she shouldn’t really have a choice in the matter - she should be removed from it for her own good.
 
I've just read that article. McDonnell makes some good points regarding the optics but a lot of the other stuff -s the such a silencing of dissenters and re-establishing democracy within the party - could be levelled at the Labour party when Corbyn and he were in charge so he'd have been better off steering clear of that particular line of criticism.
I mean you could level that at Corbyn era Labour but it wouldn't be true. The dissenters were hardly silenced they were never off the fucking telly and how is conducting a 5 year wrecking campaign not undermining the democratic choice of the Labour membership?

The right wing of the PLP are utter cunts.




 

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